[Et southern]

Totally agree with you on the low frequency being produced on a larger box..especially on a ported vs sealed.
But knowing that we're willing to give up a large box in favor of trunk space, a 12" driver in a sealed box should perform better than an 8" or even an 10" that the original box on the right side restricts you.
Thoughts?

 

[robardin]

Totally agree with you on the low frequency being produced on a larger box..especially on a ported vs sealed.
But knowing that we're willing to give up a large box in favor of trunk space, a 12" driver in a sealed box should perform better than an 8" or even an 10" that the original box on the right side restricts you.
Thoughts?

If you absolutely want a 12” driver in a sealed enclosure…

Replace the spare tire with it, is what I would do. And not lose truck space which is kind of the main point of the hatchback.

But as someone who has had 10 or 12 inch custom subs with aftermarket amps in all my cars for the past 20 years, I must say this stock sub is like 85% of what I am used to, and I don't think the cost and effort to close that remaining gap would be worth it.

That said, if you did find or make an enclosure for the spare tire well that tapped into the stock sub signal with a mono amp, to good effect... I'd definitely rethink that [emoji2]

 

[Et southern]

Yep.the cost would be kinda high to make a subwoofer encloser for the other side as ot would require making close to the liner contours of the trunk as apposed to just making a simple donut shape box in place for the spare tire.
Hmmm...you definately have a point there...now the question i guess that i would have to ask myself is...save tons of money and have a cheaper but good built box and ditch my tire or pay high price for a custom box on the other side of the trunk and keep my spare tire.
Bigger lower frequency bass and hope i dont pop a tire.
Or loose a lil bit more lower frequency and pay more but still keep my spare tire.
Thats a hard one.

 

[robardin]

Yep.the cost would be kinda high to make a subwoofer encloser for the other side as ot would require making close to the liner contours of the trunk as apposed to just making a simple donut shape box in place for the spare tire.
Hmmm...you definately have a point there...now the question i guess that i would have to ask myself is...save tons of money and have a cheaper but good built box and ditch my tire or pay high price for a custom box on the other side of the trunk and keep my spare tire.
Bigger lower frequency bass and hope i dont pop a tire.
Or loose a lil bit more lower frequency and pay more but still keep my spare tire.
Thats a hard one.

There are some ways to set a sub driver into the center of the spare tire... I think you'd have to get rid of the stock bolt and knob that screws the spare in place, though.

I had a Kicker sub custom installed that way in my 2003 Subaru Forester years ago, sounded great and retained all the cargo space, though I had to have a raised lid of some kind

 

[Et southern]

Yea i remember also seeing that on a ford focus and the floor board was raised about 3 to 4 inches above the the standard height. It looked great.

 

[Et southern]

Or this. Looks like the 10th gen trunk look similar to the 11th gen trunk.

 

[11thGenSonicGray]

If you out your back seats down in the Toruing Sedan, would that improve the bass?

I got a feeling the hatch will sound more punchy due to having its own enclosure. But just assuming. Be nice to get an actual comparison.

 

[Jimi]

I built this 12” box for my S2000

 

[Et southern]

I built this 12” box for my S2000

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Looks awsome. How long did it take to make and is that a shallow pt2?

 

[robardin]

If you out your back seats down in the Toruing Sedan, would that improve the bass?

Sadly no. What you need is some kind of enclosure to make the stock sub in the sedan sound better (tighter), someone earlier said it's open air to the trunk? (Really?)

 

[OsidePunker]

I built this 12” box for my S2000

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damn dude I guess costco trips are out LOL

 

[robardin]

damn dude I guess costco trips are out LOL

In a Honda S2000? Were they ever in play? LOL

 

[Jimi]

damn dude I guess costco trips are out LOL

The S2000 never had a big trunk in the first place so Costco was never going to be an option. I was lucky to get my gym back in there even before the Sub

 

[Jimi]

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Looks awsome. How long did it take to make and is that a shallow pt2?

Thanks man. It took me about 4 hours to make that box. It was just under 1 cubic foot.
As far as the space, the S2000 has a tiny trunk and a small cavity where I fit the box into. My 12” Rockford subwoofer wasn’t a shallow type, it was the normal size

 

[Et southern]

Thx OsidePunker for letting me test fit this subwoofer box in his beautiful 11th gen civic hatch. Pics show it with and without the floor trunk tray. This houses a JL Audio 12tw3.

 

[robardin]

Thx OsidePunker for letting me test fit this subwoofer box in his beautiful 11th gen civic hatch. Pics show it with and without the floor trunk tray. This houses a JL Audio 12tw3.

Is that a custom box you built yourself? ... Gonna make more of them?

Personally for a car this size, I think a 12 inch driver is overkill and a 10 inch driver (10TW3) would be fine, leaving more trunk space. Does the cover for the spare tire still lift up like that?

Where'd you put the amp, and did you redirect the stock subwoofer lead into it for this box? You might want to set the crossover carefully since the sound from the head unit would be tailored to the 8 inch stock one...

And... HOW DOES IT SOUND?

 

[Et southern]

Is that a custom box you built yourself? ... Gonna make more of them?

Personally for a car this size, I think a 12 inch driver is overkill and a 10 inch driver (10TW3) would be fine, leaving more trunk space. Does the cover for the spare tire still lift up like that?

Where'd you put the amp, and did you redirect the stock subwoofer lead into it for this box? You might want to set the crossover carefully since the sound from the head unit would be tailored to the 8 inch stock one...

And... HOW DOES IT SOUND?

Yes thats a custom box that i built but was made for the 10th gen.
I was fortunate to have OsidePunker to let me test fit the box so no its not hooked up in anyway to listen to it. The 10th gens use this box and sound great so i dont see how this wouldnt sound better than stock..everyone has their prefrence in sound.
Didnt get a chance to lift the floor lid as the box was made just barely on the edge and so other shallow subs would stick out the facia of the box about 5/8 and you can still open the lid. The 12tw3 required a ring so it blocks the lid.
12" can be overkill but this was for me to prove that a 12" can fit....also because when money isnt an issue to some..they just want to show they have a big stick. But yes even a 10 inch is plenty.
This fitment i think is ok..meaning that it can improve by making it a tad deeper. There is a small air gap behind the box and so what i concluded was that the 10th gen hatchback has the tool jack kit so this box hit the lid perfectly. Now it looks like honda did away with the kit and so explains the void..see pics (in case you were wondering OsidePunker).
Im still deciding if i want to take on that task and improving the box or leave it as is.

 

[robardin]

Yes thats a custom box that i built but was made for the 10th gen.
I was fortunate to have OsidePunker to let me test fit the box so no its not hooked up in anyway to listen to it. The 10th gens use this box and sound great so i dont see how this wouldnt sound better than stock..everyone has their prefrence in sound.
Didnt get a chance to lift the floor lid as the box was made just barely on the edge and so other shallow subs would stick out the facia of the box about 5/8 and you can still open the lid. The 12tw3 required a ring so it blocks the lid.
12" can be overkill but this was for me to prove that a 12" can fit....also because when money isnt an issue to some..they just want to show they have a big stick. But yes even a 10 inch is plenty.
This fitment i think is ok..meaning that it can improve by making it a tad deeper. There is a small air gap behind the box and so what i concluded was that the 10th gen hatchback has the tool jack kit so this box hit the lid perfectly. Now it looks like honda did away with the kit and so explains the void..see pics (in case you were wondering OsidePunker).
Im still deciding if i want to take on that task and improving the box or leave it as is.

Right, but how did you connect up this box? Did it "steal" the lead to the stock subwoofer, running it to a mono amp that then fed this box? If so, where did you put the amp (under the front passenger seat? The spare tire well, removing the tire?), and what did you do with the stock subwoofer (just leave it in place unattached)?

 

[Et southern]

Right, but how did you connect up this box? Did it "steal" the lead to the stock subwoofer, running it to a mono amp that then fed this box? If so, where did you put the amp (under the front passenger seat? The spare tire well, removing the tire?), and what did you do with the stock subwoofer (just leave it in place unattached)?

So short answer is i dont know as this is new territory for me and have yet to see this box put in and installed all the way.
These boxes were made for the under dog 10th gen hatch that didnt have the sub like touring and type R. What i can say is on those models they had the amp either put under the passenger seat or dist away with the spare tire tool foam insert and build a simple amp rack in the center spare tire wheel. Again..the boxes were for models with no sub so yes the amp set up from mono block amp was the route. Type R owners would just put in a replacement of 8 in into the molded sub box or get a kit to replace it with a 10".
So back to this model which is considered like a type R as far as the trunk liner having a sub.....how to fix the amp placement issue and not feeling weird that u have a dead weight of an 8" sub disconnected? Simple, take out the subwoofer assembly completely out (plastic molded oem box with sub) and put in a simple amp rack utilizing the sub mount holes and screw in your amp there. Now that space where stock sub use to be is an amp in its place and its vented from the speaker grill. Of course depending on the size amp. There will always be some sort of nuk and cranny available just need to physically have the amp in hand of your choice and start jabbing it somewhere where it will fit and safe. Just my 2 cents.

 

[1pt5Vtec]

I just posted a "review" of the Bose system in the ST hatch, but have no basis to compare to the one in the sedan.

There is an enclosure for the 8" subwoofer driver, in the rear right panel of the hatch, it's not a very big one but it matches a low profile driver.

In a nutshell, coming from years of driving cars with custom aftermarket subwoofer "panel" enclosures in the trunk (including a hatch in the MDX) similar to the Bose one, but large enough to house a 10" driver, I noticed certain very deep bass notes were missing... But also that this sounds like a "real" subwoofer, not just overdriving a 6.5" woofer or a 6x9 panel with no enclosure.

Doesn't the sedan subwoofer have an enclosure under it? Just because it's in the rear deck of the car doesn't mean anything, sealed volume is what you want for a sub driver for it to sound tight, otherwise you just get "boom" without the "punch" so to speak.

Sedan is an IB setup