[1pt5Vtec]

The paint is extremely cheap on these 11th gens. I did a quick detail today on the back of my car because it was dirty and all of my clean microfibre clothes left microswirls all over the paint and I’m so upset about it. I haven’t been in a straight mind since either. I contacted the dealer to see if they can do anything as the paint should not be THIS bad after a few wipes. View attachment 4806

That's literally grit of some sort stuck on whatever you used to wash with. You can clearly see the stroke marks.no dealer will do anything

 

[1pt5Vtec]

I am in the same boat too with my 2022 civic. I am so not happy with the paint on it. I had it only one week when I bought it at the end of last August of 2021 and already saw 2 little spots with a little nick taken out on it with the paint. Now in the past week I have noticed more. Even up by the wiper blades there are two spots where the pain it is chipping there. Then this morning had something hit my passenger side back door handle and have a chunk of paint come off the door handle. So needless to say, I will be contacting the dealership about this and see what they can do about it. Considering what I paid for his, their paint should not be this cheap. So not happy about it at all.

Should of bought a Lexus.
The civic is still an entry level car. Economy. Regardless what you paid for it. That's the sector it falls under. If you wanted quality should of bought an amg a lucid a BMW etc .

 

[1pt5Vtec]

"Should have" or "Should've." Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

I agree with your comment when the complaint is something like "I wish it had heated rear seats," but paint that chips off too easily is absolutely a valid complaint on any new car, regardless of price.

Could you enlighten me on what a "correct" paint job should be? What mills are you looking for? What type of paint should be used? Do we have a degas time target we should be aware of? Is there a certain spec of e-sealer we should be aware of? How about flash time? What are these reference points you're using as to what should be a "valid" paint job regardless of price for a car.....I'll wait. Gotta take notes on what a "professional" might be doing different adhering to federal laws and stipulations but go ahead I'm willing to listen 👂

 

[1pt5Vtec]

Jeez, can we dial it back down from 11? I feel like even the Honda employees who painted these cars wouldn't take this thread so personally.

I don't know anything about painting cars, any more than I know about building an engine or setting up a chassis or anything else technical about cars, really. All I can see is that there seem to be many people saying their new Civic's paint chips more easily than cars they've had in the past. There are also videos out there like this one that further lead me to believe this is an actual weakness of this car and Honda could do better. Haven't noticed any issues myself yet, but we've only had the car for two weeks.

In the past? You mean like when lead paint was used? Or high VOC paint? Are we talking single stage or BC/CC? Tricoat? I'm confused by what you're referring to as "the past" I think you missed the point. But I'll keep it simple this is due to emissions. Now you're probably gonna scratch your head wondering what emissions has to do with the paint quality. I'll keep it as simple as I possibly can,since this literally is a "every manufacturer" issue not Honda. You see when paint being a VOC gets applied it releases gases. Harmful gases. Environmental impacting gases. So obviously uncle Sam gotta step in and say you gonna only do this much. So how's that relevant? Simple "X" amount of material equals "X" amount of released vapors and even with a booth "X" amount of metric tons gets released into the environment. So by calculating how much fluid to spray ,they can get a good guesstimate of how much they're gonna release as far as emissions go. So by trying to stay emissions friendly they dial it back. A lot of race cars have no paint but they have wraps. Why? Because weight. So by also dialing back the amount of paint onto a panel you reduce weight. In doing so you combat initial emissions disbursement and lower vehicle weight so vehicle emits less emissions over time. Glass is another key factor my windshield has been broke since the car was a week old. So yeah. It has to do with emissions and no it's not a Honda thing.



NOW let me help you out since you probably think I'm targeting you but I'm not. I'm just informing you so you don't get a notion of what you think Honda or anyone else may think. I'm not taking it personal I just do this for a living and I'm on the other side of the fence of things. I'm just helping you understand that the paint jobs of back in the day will never come back. Paint may or may not be softer or harder than before and may or may not last as long.

So here's my suggestion. Reduce surface tension. How? Simple. Keep your car clean and I suggest you go on Amazon and buy a bottle of nanoskin supercharger. Wash the car accordingly then follow the instructions exactly how it says on the bottle . Spray one small section then hit it with water. Dry the car with a blower if possible. If not a very good quality MFer towel. You'll literally feel the difference as soon as the car as dry once you lightly brush the back side of your hand on the panels. That will help with any flying debris that may impact and cause damage. And yes reduce over all damage in time as long as you keep up. Now if you or anyone here goes through a scratch and shine carwash.......you have no right to talk about paint quality. Your opinion has been revoked by setting foot onto those free scratch applicators.

 

[1pt5Vtec]

I drive 300 miles a week on the highway since December of getting this car. I've sat behind salt spreaders and I have been pelted terribly on the highway, so far so good on my car, no noticeable chips or paint defects.

In my mind I think I would like to have oil based paint around again rather than water based, but I am sure some engineering type person may explain to us that today's paints are just as good ? Besides Honda paint complaints go back 20+ years, just ask anyone with an S2000.

Personally if we went back to mid to late nineties,I'd say we got a shot at a good middle ground .
Decent longevity,good clarity,nice color choices. But that's just me.im not all too thrilled with water based. Yeah yeah yeah color matching is great but,I'm not fond of it.
As far as the s2k I believe that was the early water based colors.

 

[1pt5Vtec]

What a horrible answer. We bought a new civic and tons of people are complaining the paint is weak. Don't blame the end-user for something Honda may have done a poor job on. Let's see how this turns out but if enough people keep complaining to their dealer there might be some recalls being done in the future. Should have bought a Lexus, ha ha ha...

Maybe you should of read a little further. Good luck complaining.

 

[1pt5Vtec]

I don't need any luck, just stating what's happening.

Nothing. Nothing is gonna happen. Go cry to uncle Sam to be more lenient then it might help. But it ain't gonna happen. Simple

 

[1pt5Vtec]

You make no sense, but okay. Go to the Lexus forum lmao.

Why would I go to a Lexus forum? They have much higher paint standards. That literally made no sense. Kinda stupid really

 

[1pt5Vtec]

I'm still of the opinion that thicker paint does not chip less than thinner paint, and going too thick can actually make things worse. We got what we got and make the best of it, keep a touch up pen close by too lol.

Exactly

 

[1pt5Vtec]

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[1pt5Vtec]

Adding my 2022 crv with paint issues. We just did a walk around the car and there’s at least a dozen holes in paint. One is a eraser size on hood with no paint left. How can I already have a paint issue on a new car? To the guy complaining about Uncle Sam, I dont care and that’s your problem not mine. Honda has to figure this one out or consumers will stop buying. Car buyers are not going to understand shit paint due to regulations. At 40k my paint should stay on the car💁 for at least 5 years and I would expect 10. My car is under a year old so there is no excuse except bad workmanship and quality from Honda. Honda CRV Hybrid 2022 bad paint + paint chips + worn paint + paint holes + weak paint + sonic grey pearl + cheap paint + Honda cut corners on paint + brand new car bad paint Honda

I mean you could trade it in for a Hyundai or Mazda. Then complain to them in a few months about their paint if you want to be naive about paint and how the government has control over the "cheap" paint. Its the new norm wether you agree or not or like it or not

 

[1pt5Vtec]

This is just crazy☝. Let’s accept crap and blame our crap work on the government. Orrr how about taking responsibility. Find another paint. Learn a different application. Apply additional top Coates to crap paint. Use colors that are less likely to chip. There is always a solution.

Listen,the government allows certain paints and certain amount it can be applied. Weight is also a concern. If that's too much for you to grasp then maybe you don't know what you're talking about. Oh wait ,your statements show that. Nm carry on living on fairyland.

 

[1pt5Vtec]

The paint job sucks. It is bad. Period.

When you find another car manufacturer that makes great paint in todays cars we can talk. I've literally already said who dictates paint. There are such things as laws in place that manufacturers have to adhere to....yes including paint.
Literally why they govern VOCs. If you don't know what VOCs are and why that's relevant,then you're "professional" opinion is irrelevant. I know firsthand what I speak of as I need to adhere to those very laws in my profession.