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The 2.0 NA, is anyone else happy with it like I am?

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#21 ·
How I see it:

2.0 pros:
timing chain
port injection
NA engine
Essentially detuned K series engine. Under-strained, lazy engines = longetivity. The V8's in the Crown vic's and Lexus LS 4xx series are examples of this.

checks off a lot of what would make an engine reliable. MPG considered it is marginal between the 2.0 and 1.5T, only in city driving.

Oil dilution issues, carbon build-up from direct injection, and other high PSI problems associated with turbos are just not there. That's not to say they will be with Honda's 1.5T option but they will be inherently present.
 
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burnafterreading said:
How I see it:

2.0 pros:
timing chain
port injection
NA engine
Essentially detuned K series engine. Under-strained, lazy engines = longetivity. The V8's in the Crown vic's and Lexus LS 4xx series are examples of this.

checks off a lot of what would make an engine reliable. MPG considered it is marginal between the 2.0 and 1.5T, only in city driving.

Oil dilution issues, carbon build-up from direct injection, and other high PSI problems associated with turbos are just not there. That's not to say they will be with Honda's 1.5T option but they will be inherently present.
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burnafterreading said:
How I see it:

2.0 pros:
timing chain
port injection
NA engine
Essentially detuned K series engine. Under-strained, lazy engines = longetivity. The V8's in the Crown vic's and Lexus LS 4xx series are examples of this.

checks off a lot of what would make an engine reliable. MPG considered it is marginal between the 2.0 and 1.5T, only in city driving.

Oil dilution issues, carbon build-up from direct injection, and other high PSI problems associated with turbos are just not there. That's not to say they will be with Honda's 1.5T option but they will be inherently present.
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It’s exactly for this lazy under tune that I feel comfortable pushing the car to higher RPM’s every now and then without fear of damage.
 
#23 ·
Joden Thorne said:
It’s exactly for this lazy under tune that I feel comfortable pushing the car to higher RPM’s every now and then without fear of damage.
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I'm assuming by higher you mean redline it? You really should be fine and WOT time to time can be good. I figure you are not doing it at every stoplight and stopsign and past break-in period.
 
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burnafterreading said:
I'm assuming by higher you mean redline it? You really should be fine and WOT time to time can be good. I figure you are not doing it at every stoplight and stopsign and past break-in period.
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Oh yeah, I bring it usually only to around 4-4.5 when I’m “having fun” because much further and I’m already breaking the law.

I’ve only redlined It like four times
 
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burnafterreading said:
How I see it:

2.0 pros:
timing chain
port injection
NA engine
Essentially detuned K series engine. Under-strained, lazy engines = longetivity. The V8's in the Crown vic's and Lexus LS 4xx series are examples of this.

checks off a lot of what would make an engine reliable. MPG considered it is marginal between the 2.0 and 1.5T, only in city driving.

Oil dilution issues, carbon build-up from direct injection, and other high PSI problems associated with turbos are just not there. That's not to say they will be with Honda's 1.5T option but they will be inherently present.
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The dealer says that the 2.0 is direct injected. And so does Honda’s website. Looking under the hood, you can see the high pressure fuel pump. Maybe in times past it was port injected, but no longer. Still, I think it’s a great motor as you said.
 
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JSD43 said:
The dealer says that the 2.0 is direct injected. And so does Honda’s website. Looking under the hood, you can see the high pressure fuel pump. Maybe in times past it was port injected, but no longer. Still, I think it’s a great motor as you said.
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I'm looking at the Honda Canada website and it specifically states port injection for the 2.0 engine equipped to the the Honda Civic hatchback or sedan. The U.S site says it in a different way by calling it "Multi-point fuel injection" which is all intent and purposes is port injection. I believe the 2.0T is direct injection which is on some version of the Civic. I really only have surface knowledge of these new engines from reading around past week shopping for cars.
 
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JSD43 said:
The dealer says that the 2.0 is direct injected. And so does Honda’s website. Looking under the hood, you can see the high pressure fuel pump. Maybe in times past it was port injected, but no longer. Still, I think it’s a great motor as you said.
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The K series engine has quite a few engines in the series. The one we are talking about is in the earth dreams era. The one the dealer is probably talking about is the K20C1. It is used in a Type R with direct injection and a turbocharger. The one we are talking about that is port injected or multipoint however you want to look at it. It is the K20C2 in the K series engines. Here are there listed applications very similar engines.
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Here is a complete breakdown of how each compared to one another. Sometimes this engine is referred to as the NA 2.0 L. For obvious reasons because of where it's produced. That or because it's naturally aspirated. Here's what makes the Honda Civic base 2.0L NA engine & the Civic Type R 2.0L Turbo engine different - Alt Car news
 
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#28 · (Edited)
JSD43 said:
Hey y’all,

Am I the only one happy with their 2.0 NA engine? Certainly there are others that like it. Granted, it doesn’t have as much low end torque as the 1.5T, or overall HP, but to me it still has adequate power below 4,000 rpm and actually good power above 4,000 rpm. And I actually like the feel of it, the way the power builds quickly above 3,500 rpm, and continues all the way to redline. Overall I’m pleased with the power delivery. And since I’ve owned my car, I’ve consistently gotten between 32-36 mpg on my 116 mile round trip commute to and from work. I like that it was designed to run on regular octane gas from the start. Some folks have mentioned that the lack of a turbo means fewer repairs down the road. I suspect that may be the case, but only if you plan to put 300k or more miles on the car. In less than 12 years, at my current rate, I’ll have 500,000 miles on this car, and I hope to keep it twice that long. And last, but not least, I absolutely love this six speed manual transmission. To me, it’s the perfect mate to this little motor. While in high speed interstate traffic, I relish dropping to third and matching the revs for a perfect downshift and surge of oomph. So, how about it? Anyone else that’s happy with their 2.0 NA with no regrets?
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Hey there,
You are definitely not alone in being happy with your 2.0 NA engine! There are many enthusiasts out there who appreciate the characteristics of naturally aspirated engines and find joy in their driving experience. The 2.0 NA engine, even though it might not have the low-end torque of a turbocharged engine, can still provide a satisfying and smooth power delivery.
It's great to hear that you enjoy the way the power builds quickly above 3,500 rpm and continues to redline. The linear power delivery of naturally aspirated engines can be quite engaging, especially when paired with a manual transmission, as you mentioned. The joy of shifting gears and rev-matching during spirited driving can be a delightful experience for many car enthusiasts.
Moreover, the fuel efficiency you mentioned, consistently getting between 32-36 mpg on your commute, is commendable. The fact that it runs on regular octane gas also makes it more convenient and cost-effective in the long run.
 
#29 ·
Just picked up a 2024 white 2.0 sedan sport on Saturday. The engine has plenty of power and on my 84 mile trip home i averaged 46.5 mpg varying the speed between 55 and 70 for engine break in.
That trip was on flat 1 29 from Omaha to NW Missouri. A subsequent 20 mile trip on rolling hills here in Missouri netted 44.1. Very happy!
 
#30 ·
The 2.0L is awesome, I buried the gauge in the ketchup almost daily on my 10th LX Manual gen for 4 years straight and it never skipped a beat, I would probably still be driving it if it never got wrecked!
 
#31 ·
I like mine so far. I picked up a '24 Sport Hatchback 6MT a couple weeks ago and I don't regret it at all. Past cars include a WRX hatch, a couple of WRX STis, a GTI, Jetta GLI, a Golf R, Pontiac G8 GXP, a Camaro ZL1, a Cadillac 2nd gen CTS-V, a couple 3-series BMWs, among many others. This Civic isn't as fast or frenetic as those and I'm fine with that. The combination of the surprisingly refined engine and excellent manual transmission with a relatively light clutch is smooth, smooth, smooth and does what you expect. I really enjoy "operating" a manual transmission regardless of the power behind it, and with this one I don't have so many youngsters trying to get me to race them. I could see myself actually keeping this car for more than a year or two (unusual for me).
 
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JSD43 said:
I’m glad you’re liking your car! That’s a lot of different cars you’ve had, a wide variety. From least to greatest, which had the best manual transmission?
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Hmm...I liked them all. They were all well suited to the platform, unlike some motorcycles I've had which could have used another gear. I didn't part with any because of the transmission, or the engine/transmission combo. Probably the only one I'd want back now would be the G8 GXP, an '09 I think. It was just so fun to drive. None of the Subaru transmissions was particularly exceptional, just functional. The BMW transmissions felt more precise and the VWs had a shorter shift throw but they were all just good. The Camaro had a very heavy clutch and a touchy engagement zone. It was a thrilling car (580 HP) but just not practical as a commuting vehicle - and rearward visibility was awful. The Caddy was more comfy and more practical than the Camaro, with a bit less power (556 HP) but it just wasn't my style, I guess. Too pretentious. The Pontiac (which I think was actually an Australian Holden) was just about right. A mid size four door RWD, 6MT NA V8 with about 450 HP. I used to love throwing the rear end out around corners and then steering with the throttle pedal. The transmission felt great too. I wonder how it would have held up over time... I only kept it for about a year. I think the Civic's transmission is as good as any of them and feels better than most. The only thing I would change is the length of the shift lever. I'd like it a bit shorter, but it's great as-is. My favorite manual of all time was the kind of clunky, long-throw five-speed in my ('99?) Nissan Frontier. I just enjoyed using it and the sound the gears made. I kept that for about 4 years which is a personal record.
 
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The holden commodore I've seen them here in the states under the name Chevy SS and also Pontiac G8. Definitely a fun car don't see too many V8s over there in Australia that LS3 V8 engine in that platform is a lot of fun.🙂 To get the V6 would have been a crying shame.
 
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Happy with the 2.0L and CVT.

I bought this car as a "keeper" not to race. Power is fine. Granted the manual would have made it more reliable, but they're hard to impossible to come by. With frequent CVT fluid changes I'm hoping to keep it running a long time.
 
#38 ·
Just hit 1,400 miles yesterday. I really appreciate how smooth this car is. The 2.0L and CVT work well together. CVT does a good job keeping the car moving. Once you're moving it has plenty of power. Extremely smooth linear power delivery.
 
#39 ·
Joden Thorne said:
Agreed! I wish the 2.0 got more love. Didn’t realize, but it’s even a descendant of the K-series family! Something to be proud of I reckon. It’s an honest reliable engine. No hate on the 1.5 but neither engine is a race car engine. I enjoy being able to rev my engine high and squeeze plenty of juice out of it. Also with my intake it makes fun engine noises as I climb gears :)

I have the sport. But I’d take the 2.0 with paddle shifters or a manual before a 1.5 without.

I do kind of wish at times I had the SI, but frankly I’m young, and blessed to have the car I do. For my purposes, my honest little civic with a few mods suits me perfectly. ❤K20C2 :)
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What intake do you have?
 
#40 ·
I bought a Sport Hatch 6MT, exactly a month ago, specifically to get that combination.
No turbo, no direct injection -> no high-pressure fuel pump, no worries about intake carbon buildups or oil dilution.
It is my 2nd car. The other car is a '19 Fix EX MT6 (probably even rarer than Sport Hatch 6MT). I work from home. I don't go anywhere. I put 1,500 miles per year on the Fit. If I didn't love the K20C2, would I have done all that?

As for power, everyone is spoiled. The Sport Hatch 6MT is the second fastest car I've ever owned, behind the 2013 BRZ Premium. In fact, I actually prefer the way Civic "goes."

Compared to the Fit, heck yeah, Civic is more powerful.
I still love my Fit for being so... raw.;)
 
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