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I have not noticed anything as of yet with my 2022 Civic Si Build Date Oct 2022. I guess I would fit into the category of low mileage with 5,749. I can understand the viewpoint of some consumers confusion with LKAS. Especially if people don't understand how it works or even bother to open the owner's manual. Waiting to see what becomes of this as an actual recall.

-Aaron
 
I can understand the viewpoint of some consumers confusion with LKAS.
I have read most of the complaints filed with the NHTSA, and I don’t think those people are confused with LKAS. They describe the steering suddenly becoming increasingly difficult during highway speeds, and that it feels as though the power steering has failed, randomly, and for a sustained period.
 
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I have read most of the complaints filed with the NHTSA, and I don’t think those people are confused with LKAS. They describe the steering suddenly becoming increasingly difficult during highway speeds, and that it feels as though the power steering has failed, randomly, and for a sustained period.
Can you post a link I would be interested in seeing the specifics. Make, Model, etc.
Edit, nevermind I see it. I will check it out thanks.

Aaron
 
Yes, post #15 in this thread. All are Gen 11 Civics, though none mention Model/Trim. I have not seen any specific data, but I think it may be only Canada Sedans, not US hatchbacks, but that is just anecdotal.
Click on the + sign to read each report (for 50 pages lol)
Exactly I wish there was a breakout of trim line...I read some and some of them are just a repeat of the others...
If NHTSA will need to really investigate this they will need to talk directly to HMC to see what they can provide (if anything) or actually test with vehicles having the problem.
I don't know how often that really happens or if they just work directly with Manufacturer?

-Aaron
 
16K miles on my 22 SI so far.
No sign of any problem with the rack.

My 2010 Fit had a notchiness in the last 100K miles that I owned it. Sold it at 260K, and just last week talked to the gal who bought it. She said it's over 300K now....still going strong.
The notchy steering never got worse on the Fit.
 
I don't know how often that really happens or if they just work directly with Manufacturer?
The lead investigator announced that they were conducting interviews of each of the individuals to get more extensive information, after which they evaluate the results and then work with the manufacturer to determine the scope of the recall (if any).

I went through 10 pages of those complaints which all have a partial VIN, and although this is still not conclusive, there was a 10:1 ratio of sedan complaints versus hatchback. I do not know the sales volume of the different trims but the VINs were base, Sport and Touring sedan which represented 90% of the complaints in the Sport Touring hatchback was 10%.
Score: Canada 10, USA 1
 
Yes, post #15 in this thread. All are Gen 11 Civics, though none mention Model/Trim. I have not seen any specific data, but I think it may be only Canada Sedans, not US hatchbacks, but that is just anecdotal.
Click on the + sign to read each report (for 50 pages lol)
I'm having this issue with my US made '22 EX-L hatch. It's not as severe as some other people's descriptions seem to be, but it's there.
 
I'm having this issue with my US made '22 EX-L hatch. It's not as severe as some other people's descriptions seem to be, but it's there.
Yeah, I thought it may have been just the sedans, but there are some hatches in there. My Sport Touring hatch doesn't have any "symptoms".
Whatever it is, it's thankfully not widespread. It'll be interesting to see what the answer is.
 
I have not noticed anything as of yet with my 2022 Civic Si Build Date Oct 2022. I guess I would fit into the category of low mileage with 5,749. I can understand the viewpoint of some consumers confusion with LKAS. Especially if people don't understand how it works or even bother to open the owner's manual. Waiting to see what becomes of this as an actual recall.

-Aaron
The issue has nothing to do with LKAS.
 
Yeah, I thought it may have been just the sedans, but there are some hatches in there. My Sport Touring hatch doesn't have any "symptoms".
Whatever it is, it's thankfully not widespread. It'll be interesting to see what the answer is.
Definitely, and part of me wishes we had more info about the cars affected to try and find correlation, but i feel like more speculation isn't really practically helpful because we already have people making wild speculations based on very little information so I can only imagine the conspiracies that would come out of them. However I would be very surprised if they do a total recall (haHA!), just based on the number of affected units as a percentage, and knowing how many components actually make up the rack. My gut tells me this is an issue with the seals inside of some racks (most likely coming from Gates) and/or the assembly process. The failures are too infrequent overall, and too sporadic based on mileage (some people have issues at 4000 miles, some at 45,000 miles) to lead me to believe this is an outright design flaw with the rack. I'll look at mine again at the next oil change to see if there's any seepage happening, but then again I have no symptoms
 
I have not noticed anything as of yet with my 2022 Civic Si Build Date Oct 2022. I guess I would fit into the category of low mileage with 5,749. I can understand the viewpoint of some consumers confusion with LKAS. Especially if people don't understand how it works or even bother to open the owner's manual. Waiting to see what becomes of this as an actual recall.

-Aaron
It’s funny that no one thought of that. I refer you to #4 of this thread. I also wonder why other cars such as Corolla, mazda3 etc. don’t have this type of complaint on NHTSA website they are not equipped with this unheard of “advanced” LKAS technology? I understand Si guys/girls are very enthusiastic about their Honda, but for an issue that’s safety related should be something that everyone can agree on.
 
Definitely, and part of me wishes we had more info about the cars affected to try and find correlation, but i feel like more speculation isn't really practically helpful because we already have people making wild speculations based on very little information so I can only imagine the conspiracies that would come out of them. However I would be very surprised if they do a total recall (haHA!), just based on the number of affected units as a percentage, and knowing how many components actually make up the rack. My gut tells me this is an issue with the seals inside of some racks (most likely coming from Gates) and/or the assembly process. The failures are too infrequent overall, and too sporadic based on mileage (some people have issues at 4000 miles, some at 45,000 miles) to lead me to believe this is an outright design flaw with the rack. I'll look at mine again at the next oil change to see if there's any seepage happening, but then again I have no symptoms
The problem is the torque angle sensor goes bad in the rack but its non replaceable.. whole rack gets replaced
 
The problem is the torque angle sensor goes bad in the rack but its non replaceable.. whole rack gets replaced
Well since you already have that figured out, you should let the NHTSA know about it. Save everyone a lot of time and get the defective units replaced.
 
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Im in Canda.. we dont deal with the nhtsa.. but this was coming from the Honda dealership.. they knew right away the problem and ordered me a rack instantly
Well, gee, since your Honda dealer has figured it out, they can report it to Honda and solve the matter for everyone.
 
The problem is the torque angle sensor goes bad in the rack but its non replaceable.. whole rack gets replaced
OK, not to beat a dead horse, but what your Honda dealer told you does not make any sense.
There is no torque angle sensor in the steering system. There is a torque sensor and a steering angle sensor. The steering angle sensor measures the angle and speed of change in the position of the steering wheel. The steering torque sensor records the torsion bar angle required for the steering movement.
  • The steering torque sensor is in the steering pinion.
  • The steering angle sensor is on the steering shaft, just underneath the steering wheel and feeds the ECU.
Replacing the steering rack would not include the steering angle sensor, so that's the problem with your dealer's statement.
 
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