[smsnezam]

Hi everyone
greetings...
I need some assistance to buy a Honda Civic Sport 2023 CVT (not turbo)...
So currently I am driving a Civic 2020 Sport CVT and am very happy, but I am planning to trade-in for the 2023 as mentioned...
Any suggestions that it will be a great option with new useful things to trade in or that I should stay with the same 2020 Civic 10th generation?
PROS and CONS of new 2023 as compare to 2020 (HONDA CIVIC SPORT CVT not turbo)?
The detailed guidelines will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

 

[dxdxto]

You are not getting much in '23 that you don't already have in '20.

 

[Civic_805]

2022 Civic Sport owner here. I agree with dxdxto. If you really want the brand new model, I would get the EX or Touring, if you don't mind the turbo engine. Noise levels is insane in the Sport and I assume it is the same for the 2020 Sport, so that might be fine for you. Touring gets (better?) insulation and bunch of other stuff. I don't think there is any functionality difference between 2020 and the new Civic in Sport trim. Not sure if 2020 sport had LED headlights and partial LED taillights. So, I can only think of that.

 

[cleanneon98]

Better styling inside and out (subjective), and a more rigid chassis/better ride (objective)

 

[dxdxto]

I don't think there is any functionality difference between 2020 and the new Civic in Sport trim.

The lane detection is vastly betters, and he gets a blind spot sensor (I think), but mechanically it's mostly the same car. Also, I think fear of turbo is without merit.

 

[cleanneon98]

The lane detection is vastly betters, and he gets a blind spot sensor (I think), but mechanically it's mostly the same car. Also, I think fear of turbo is without merit.

To be fair, the DI turbo engines in theory are more problematic than the port injected N/A 2.0. But for most people it’s a non issue because most people won’t have the serious issues of the DI-t, nor will they keep the cars long enough to see any of the less serious issues accumulate

People are always afraid of things they don’t understand

 

[ThunderPigeon]

Sport model does not have blind spot sensors, at least my 22 sport didn't.

Those turbo engines have been in a lot of Honda vehicles for many, many years now. They really are an excellent engine.

 

[dxdxto]

Sport model does not have blind spot sensors,

No! Seriously?! I thought only the Touring got cross-traffic monitoring, but they all got blind spot alert. That's low.

 

[Civic_805]

Civic Sport doesn’t get anything extra except shiny wheels and some shiny trim.
You only get Honda Sensing which all the other competitors in the segment have equivalent feature set Corolla, Mazda 3, Elantra…
Meanwhile the new HRV gets blind spot monitoring with cross traffic ,heated seats, heated side mirrors with indicators at almost the same price point… go figure.

 

[smsnezam]

2022 Civic Sport owner here. I agree with dxdxto. If you really want the brand new model, I would get the EX or Touring, if you don't mind the turbo engine. Noise levels is insane in the Sport and I assume it is the same for the 2020 Sport, so that might be fine for you. Touring gets (better?) insulation and bunch of other stuff. I don't think there is any functionality difference between 2020 and the new Civic in Sport trim. Not sure if 2020 sport had LED headlights and partial LED taillights. So, I can only think of that.

Yeah I checked 2023 but function engine everything is almost same nothing changed as compare to 2020

 

[smsnezam]

Sport model does not have blind spot sensors, at least my 22 sport didn't.

Those turbo engines have been in a lot of Honda vehicles for many, many years now. They really are an excellent engine.

no blind spot detection in 2020 and 2023 civic sports

 

[smsnezam]

Sport model does not have blind spot sensors, at least my 22 sport didn't.

Those turbo engines have been in a lot of Honda vehicles for many, many years now. They really are an excellent engine.

I heard CVT 2.0 engine is long lasting rather then turbo because regular engine can take the car over 300k but turbo dies after 120k

 

[smsnezam]

Sport model does not have blind spot sensors, at least my 22 sport didn't.

Those turbo engines have been in a lot of Honda vehicles for many, many years now. They really are an excellent engine.

Reliability: Turbocharged engines may not be as reliable as standard engines. Engines with more parts have more that can go wrong. Maintenance: Because turbochargers stress the engine and its parts, turbocharged engines often require more routine maintenance.

 

[dxdxto]

I heard CVT 2.0 engine is long lasting rather then turbo because regular engine can take the car over 300k but turbo dies after 120k

There's no basis to this. 1.5 turbo has been around for quite a while and has been installed in hundreds of thousands of Civics, Accords and CR-Vs, many of which are well over 100k, yet there is no widespread record of failure, or much of any record of failure outside of social media whining.

 

[cleanneon98]

Those reliability statistics are completely made up, and why do you want 300k mile reliability when you’re already shopping for a new car to replace your 3 year old civic with likely less than 50k miles.
My buddy had over 250k miles on his Focus RS before he sold it, stock turbo

 

[Civic_805]

If you take care of turbo engines meaning on time oil change and coolant maintenance they could probably last as long as naturally aspirated engines. Turbo engines run at higher temperatures due to higher pressure in the cylinders. You also have to cool the turbocharger and keep it lubricated which is another fail point if you don’t do regular oil changes. As the car ages people tend to slack on oil changes and regular maintenance, so turbo charged engines are at higher risk of failure in this case. Additionally they need higher strength and more sophisticated materials which can go wrong at the manufacturing or design process. So, in my opinion the reliability of turbo charged engines more depend on the owner if there is nothing wrong with the engine inherently from the manufacturer.

Those reliability statistics are completely made up, and why do you want 300k mile reliability when you’re already shopping for a new car to replace your 3 year old civic with likely less than 50k miles.
My buddy had over 250k miles on his Focus RS before he sold it, stock turbo

I don’t think that’s a good analogy because if you were buying a house that you know it will depreciate in value so quickly due to design flaw or known issues, you wouldn’t want to buy that house even if you were planning to sell it in couple of years. I am not saying 1.5T is a bad engine or turbo engines in general, but I think if someone is buying a lower-cost car probably have tighter budget and would want to get moneys worth in the long term. For example if I would have just gone with a Nissan Sentra instead of Civic and save couple of thousands dollars but I know that CVT is gonna fail and resale value would be nowhere near a civic.

 

[cleanneon98]

If you take care of turbo engines meaning on time oil change and coolant maintenance they could probably last as long as naturally aspirated engines. Turbo engines run at higher temperatures due to higher pressure in the cylinders. You also have to cool the turbocharger and keep it lubricated which is another fail point if you don’t do regular oil changes. As the car ages people tend to slack on oil changes and regular maintenance, so turbo charged engines are at higher risk of failure in this case. Additionally they need higher strength and more sophisticated materials which can go wrong at the manufacturing or design process. So, in my opinion the reliability of turbo charged engines more depend on the owner if there is nothing wrong with the engine inherently from the manufacturer.


I don’t think that’s a good analogy because if you were buying a house that you know it will depreciate in value so quickly due to design flaw or known issues, you wouldn’t want to buy that house even if you were planning to sell it in couple of years. I am not saying 1.5T is a bad engine or turbo engines in general, but I think if someone is buying a lower-cost car probably have tighter budget and would want to get moneys worth in the long term. For example if I would have just gone with a Nissan Sentra instead of Civic and save couple of thousands dollars but I know that CVT is gonna fail and resale value would be nowhere near a civic.

That’s true, but Honda 1.5s and CVTs don’t have that widespread reputation of being shitboxes like alost every Nissan product . It’s more likely someone goes on Reddit or forums with a bunch of wannabe “car guys” who will blindly talk smack on CVTs because it helps boost their fragile egos, or they harp on the “widespread” fuel dilution issues to make themselves feel better about buying the slow engine, then get all pissy when people tell them it’s the wrong car to modify for power etc

Your thought process would be 100% correct IF Hondas really had widespread issues with the 1.5T and CVT, but they don’t, and I think that’s what people are trying to dispel.

 

[wjie2r]

I think the 2020 Civic markup reduction fools people! So I recommend buying the new model for 2023

 

[Heartland2022]

Let's see here side by side comparison of the specs. I'm assuming you have the sedan not the two door coupe. The top image represents the 2020 model sport sedan. The image below it in each image represents the 2023 sport sedan.

As we can see here your vehicle is lighter 2,847 lbs for curb weight it's also .1 second slower than the 2023 sedan from 0 to 60 mph. The 2023 version also gets 1 mile per gallon better in the city.

Your current vehicle as we can see here has a better turn radius and more cargo space.

Your vehicle uses more energy per barrel of oil compared to the 2023.

Outside of that they are fairly similar mechanically. They use differing CVT transmissions the 2023 version being more refined and reliable. As far as technology goes when entering the automobile the 2023 has smart entry and auto lock when you walk away. It is a very unique feature and one I really enjoy on my 2022 Civic hatchback sport. The dash layout instrument cluster on the 2023 sedan I much prefer compared to your 2020 sedan. The steering wheel button layout is much improved also. I don't blame you for wanting to stick with the famous legendary K series 2.0 L. After all that engine didn't cause a class action lawsuit like the 1.5 L turbo engine did. Not to mention it caused Honda to drop the Earth dreams badge from the valve cover on both engines. I guess they didn't want sales to decline via stigma as it was named in the lawsuit Earth dreams engine oil dilution problem. Now many say well Honda fixed that with a software fix. I myself being mechanically inclined I ask what did it do exactly? Being a mechanic I own one of those big fancy scan tools now that works through the onboard diagnostics port. commonly abbreviated OBD II. I also own a j box that can program tune vehicle modules. I can tell you what that software fix does and doesn't do if you like. It lessens the problem but it doesn't eliminate it that would require piston rings of a differing design a redesign. One that would compliment that new tune software fix with lower injector pressure and higher engine operating temp. If you happen to be the owner of a 2020 Civic Sport coupe disregard all those comparisons above. That would be a whole different ball game measurements turn radius cargo capacity all that stuff. Those are the two body styles for that year that got the 2.0 L. Have you thought about the 2023 sport hatchback with the 2.0 L ? I think you would absolutely love it. It would be my pick for the increase in cargo capacity interior measurements alone. I've heard the 2023 HRV is sporting the 2.0 L as well. In fact that will be my next purchase you got to have the 4x4 sometimes. 😶‍🌫 Anyway hope this helps you in your decision. GL 🙂

 

[smsnezam]

Let's see here side by side comparison of the specs. I'm assuming you have the sedan not the two door coupe. The top image represents the 2020 model sport sedan. The image below it in each image represents the 2023 sport sedan. View attachment 14405

As we can see here your vehicle is lighter 2,847 lbs for curb weight it's also .1 second slower than the 2023 sedan from 0 to 60 mph. The 2023 version also gets 1 mile per gallon better in the city.

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Your current vehicle as we can see here has a better turn radius and more cargo space.
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Your vehicle uses more energy per barrel of oil compared to the 2023.

Outside of that they are fairly similar mechanically. They use differing CVT transmissions the 2023 version being more refined and reliable. As far as technology goes when entering the automobile the 2023 has smart entry and auto lock when you walk away. It is a very unique feature and one I really enjoy on my 2022 Civic hatchback sport. The dash layout instrument cluster on the 2023 sedan I much prefer compared to your 2020 sedan. The steering wheel button layout is much improved also. I don't blame you for wanting to stick with the famous legendary K series 2.0 L. After all that engine didn't cause a class action lawsuit like the 1.5 L turbo engine did. Not to mention it caused Honda to drop the Earth dreams badge from the valve cover on both engines. I guess they didn't want sales to decline via stigma as it was named in the lawsuit Earth dreams engine oil dilution problem. Now many say well Honda fixed that with a software fix. I myself being mechanically inclined I ask what did it do exactly? Being a mechanic I own one of those big fancy scan tools now that works through the onboard diagnostics port. commonly abbreviated OBD II. I also own a j box that can program tune vehicle modules. I can tell you what that software fix does and doesn't do if you like. It lessens the problem but it doesn't eliminate it that would require piston rings of a differing design a redesign. One that would compliment that new tune software fix with lower injector pressure and higher engine operating temp. If you happen to be the owner of a 2020 Civic Sport coupe disregard all those comparisons above. That would be a whole different ball game measurements turn radius cargo capacity all that stuff. Those are the two body styles for that year that got the 2.0 L. Have you thought about the 2023 sport hatchback with the 2.0 L ? I think you would absolutely love it. It would be my pick for the increase in cargo capacity interior measurements alone. I've heard the 2023 HRV is sporting the 2.0 L as well. In fact that will be my next purchase you got to have the 4x4 sometimes. 😶‍🌫 Anyway hope this helps you in your decision. GL 🙂

Let's see here side by side comparison of the specs. I'm assuming you have the sedan not the two door coupe. The top image represents the 2020 model sport sedan. The image below it in each image represents the 2023 sport sedan. View attachment 14405

As we can see here your vehicle is lighter 2,847 lbs for curb weight it's also .1 second slower than the 2023 sedan from 0 to 60 mph. The 2023 version also gets 1 mile per gallon better in the city.

View attachment 14406

Your current vehicle as we can see here has a better turn radius and more cargo space.
View attachment 14407

Your vehicle uses more energy per barrel of oil compared to the 2023.

Outside of that they are fairly similar mechanically. They use differing CVT transmissions the 2023 version being more refined and reliable. As far as technology goes when entering the automobile the 2023 has smart entry and auto lock when you walk away. It is a very unique feature and one I really enjoy on my 2022 Civic hatchback sport. The dash layout instrument cluster on the 2023 sedan I much prefer compared to your 2020 sedan. The steering wheel button layout is much improved also. I don't blame you for wanting to stick with the famous legendary K series 2.0 L. After all that engine didn't cause a class action lawsuit like the 1.5 L turbo engine did. Not to mention it caused Honda to drop the Earth dreams badge from the valve cover on both engines. I guess they didn't want sales to decline via stigma as it was named in the lawsuit Earth dreams engine oil dilution problem. Now many say well Honda fixed that with a software fix. I myself being mechanically inclined I ask what did it do exactly? Being a mechanic I own one of those big fancy scan tools now that works through the onboard diagnostics port. commonly abbreviated OBD II. I also own a j box that can program tune vehicle modules. I can tell you what that software fix does and doesn't do if you like. It lessens the problem but it doesn't eliminate it that would require piston rings of a differing design a redesign. One that would compliment that new tune software fix with lower injector pressure and higher engine operating temp. If you happen to be the owner of a 2020 Civic Sport coupe disregard all those comparisons above. That would be a whole different ball game measurements turn radius cargo capacity all that stuff. Those are the two body styles for that year that got the 2.0 L. Have you thought about the 2023 sport hatchback with the 2.0 L ? I think you would absolutely love it. It would be my pick for the increase in cargo capacity interior measurements alone. I've heard the 2023 HRV is sporting the 2.0 L as well. In fact that will be my next purchase you got to have the 4x4 sometimes. 😶‍🌫 Anyway hope this helps you in your decision. GL 🙂

Thank you for the detailed information which is truly helpful so I am currently driving SEDAN never drove any COUPE, actually I am interested to upgrade my 2020 sport to Sport CVT sedan 2023 Honda or Corolla XSE CVT 2023 SEDAN as well. I noticed both have same specs but SXE has blind spot detection as well. Because I am CIVIC fan, Corolla SXE consideration for only comparison. Do you wanna say something about SPORT 2023 v/s XSE 2023?