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Adaptive cruise brakes for ghosts?

816 views 17 replies 10 participants last post by  Fujisawa  
#1 ·
Only have a couple thousand miles on my Hatchback ST and have been using it on the highway w/the adaptive cruise enabled a few times this past week, or two. Seemingly out of the blue, it has braked for phantom "cars" several times now. The first was late at night, very dark and very few cars around (no one behind, thank goodness!). All of a sudden it just hit the brakes hard, for no apparent reason.

Wrote it off as a fluke and then twice yesterday it did the same thing. The first time it was in the evening, but still light out, although cloudy & dreary and then again driving back later that night and the roads were wet after some rain. Both of those times there were a few more cars around way up ahead and/or to the side, but absolutely no reason for the braking action.

I just learned how to switch to the "regular" speed-only cruise option (by pushing and holding the adaptive distance button on the steering wheel), so will be trying that out, too. Will also try the adaptive cruise some more during broad daylight, to see if that makes a difference.

Anyone have any similar experiences and learned how to solve? Any way to "dial it in" better via the dealer? My best guess is that there might have been some sort of reflections that confused the camera on the windshield. Wishing now that it had a radar-based system, like our Kia that has never had this issue after 3 years...
 
#6 ·
I really doubt that any dealer is going to recalibrate the sensors. Just turn off ACC. It is a fools mission anyway. It assumes you want to track the speed variations of the car in front of you. I surely don't as most of the time there is a poor driver in front of me!
 
#10 ·
if this is ONLY happening with ACC activated, it's somewhat less a safety issue, but if the autobraking is happening on the highway or anywhere else when you aren't using the cruise control, you should have the dealer look at it. from what i hear this problem is not common on hondas but my subaru outback it's a common complaint and recalibrating usually fixes the issue .. although the outback uses a dual camera setup so it is not totally the same thing. beyond cleaning the windshield there is not much you can do as the user.

i haven't yet had any phantom braking on the civic, but i also haven't put tons of miles on it.

don't you love that these assist systems want to not work in the situations where you, also, have trouble seeing? like at night in the rain or in bright sunlight or snow? yea me too :p
 
#11 ·
I doubt Honda's camera has infra-red or whatever technology in current camera to 'see' in the dark so that might be the reason for onerous ACC behaviour.
Radar is the way to go and probably combo of camera+radar might be optimal implementation of ACC. But since it cost money Honda will not provide it to us as then Civic will cost arm+leg+first born and nobody will buy such a 'small car'.
 
#13 ·
It's just the standard corporate cost-cutting.
My 2019 Honda Fit EX has camera+radar based Honda-Sensing.
I haven't driven my 2024 Civic that much, so I don't have that much experience with its Honda-Sensing yet, but Fit does behave better in some cases, like when going down hill. Fit will let the speed go slightly past the set speed and not overreact, whereas Civic has a mental fit if it can't keep the speed in that set number. Ridiculous programming.
 
#12 ·
I talked to my dealer and they want me to identify a section of road where the system consistently phantom brakes. What do you do when you can't find a stretch or road that will repeat the problem? In this case they can't or won't do anything.

Still looking for that piece of road.
 
#16 · (Edited)
- It will be a waste of your time trying to get the dealer to "fix" something that's not broken when it's just the poor way it's designed. Dealers only fix broken things, not bad designs. And if you're thinking they will report this back to Honda, stop dreaming - I've been down that road many times and it never happens. Even if they did, and Honda would somehow care, Honda will never fix it on this model - maybe on some future model 3-10 years from now. It's not just Honda - all car makers do the same thing. It ALWAYS comes down to money, time, and practicality to make changes.

However you still have more fun enlightenments awaiting you:
  • Wait until a car passes you on the highway and then normally moves into your lane going faster than you (and far enough away so it's impossible to hit him) and your ACC slams on the brakes (and distance setting makes no difference). This happens constantly here - so often that I can no longer use ACC.
  • Also when your ACC slams on the brakes going down a hill to insure it won't exceed the ACC set speed (rather than just let it coast as all humans would do).
 
#17 ·
I had the same thing with my 24 Touring and 25 Sport Touring Hybrid. The ACC would engage with the orange and black BRAKE command in the middle of the screen and slow me down when I went under a certain overpass. I suspect it was the shadow for whatever reason.

Deactivated the ACC, which I didn't care for in the first place. Problem solved.