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I have received an Email this morning from NHTSA requesting a call to answer a few questions they have on our steering issues. I have been given a list of the questions they are currently investigating. Feel free to help me with any feedback you have after reading this questionnaire. I will be...

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Just adding this here NHTSA is responding with correspondence regarding our steering issue. They have 129 complaints up from 15 when I reported in September of 2022. This is great news and I wanted to share it to this thread. If you have this problem and have not already reported go to NHTSA and file please and thank you.

I have received an Email this morning from NHTSA requesting a call to answer a few questions they have on our steering issues. I have been given a list of the questions they are currently investigating. Feel free to help me with any feedback you have after reading this questionnaire. I will be speaking with them sometime early next week. Anyone else received a response from NHTSA?

1. Does the steering stick right away when you start driving or does it take some time?
a. If it takes some time, approximately how long?
b. During longer drives, does the sticking get worse over time, better, or stay the same?
c. During long drives does the issue occur consistently/constantly for the entire drive, or
only once/twice and then disappear?
2. Does the steering stick doing city driving?
3. Does the steering stick while highway driving?
4. Is there a certain speed (or speeds) where the sticking steering occurs or becomes worse?
5. Does the sticking get worse over time, better, or stay the same?
6. Have you taken your car into the dealer?
a. If so, were they able to duplicate the problem?
b. Did the dealer find any trouble codes?
7. Does the sticky steering occur whether Lane Keep Assist/Lane Departure is on or off?
8. Do you remember at about how many miles (odometer) the sticky steering started to occur?
a. Has it gotten worse over time, better, or stayed the same?
9. When the sticky steering occurs do you need to overcompensate to correct the stuck wheel?
a. If so, has this caused you to veer into another lane?
10. Have you noticed whether the sticky steering occurs more during warmer or colder weather?
11. When turning the steering wheel does either side (left or right) feel worse than the other?
12. Does a certain portion of the wheel feel stuck (for example the 9 o’clock position)?
13. Have you already had the vehicle’s first oil change?
a. How many oil changes have been performed?
b. Have you noticed any correlation between the oil changes and the sticky steering?

 

[theserbatron]

Same issue w steering on my '22 Civic Si, showed up ~4k miles. Reported to NHTSA. NHTSA e-mailed me w same questions, answered them all. Everyone, please report to NHTSA, as this will get Honda to move the needle on repairs.

 

[ReverendHonda]

Do any 2023 models have this issue or is it just 2022?

 

[Not serious]

Do any 2023 models have this issue or is it just 2022?

I don’t know the answer, but my guess is that since Honda hasn’t acknowledged or figured out the root cause, 2023’s and probably 2024s will have the problem as well.

It took Honda 2 1/2 years to figure out that they had faulty condensers in the 10th Gen. it will probably take about as long for the 11th Gen steering rack.

The more bad publicity Honda gets from this the sooner they will acknowledge the problem.

 

[nick1]

I don’t know the answer, but my guess is that since Honda hasn’t acknowledged or figured out the root cause, 2023’s and probably 2024s will have the problem as well.

It took Honda 2 1/2 years to figure out that they had faulty condensers in the 10th Gen. it will probably take about as long for the 11th Gen steering rack.

The more bad publicity Honda gets from this the sooner they will acknowledge the problem.

Funny thing is "Sticky Steering Issue" was first found and reported to dealerships in 2016. They didn't fix it since 2016.

 

[Hpacura]

Do any 2023 models have this issue or is it just 2022?

It's all 2022 and 2023 civics also 2023 Acura Integra.

 

[cleanneon98]

8k miles on my car no issues, brother in law at 13,000 on his touring sedan, no issues. For how many of these cars are out there and how few have issues, it definitely sucks for people affected but I wouldn’t say it’s indicative of the entire lineup being faulty.

 

[Hpacura]

8k miles on my car no issues, brother in law at 13,000 on his touring sedan, no issues. For how many of these cars are out there and how few have issues, it definitely sucks for people affected but I wouldn’t say it’s indicative of the entire lineup being faulty.

Give it some time. Make sure you're driving 75 to 80 mph for an extended period of time 45 mins to an hour for me. You have the same rack and pinon as the rest of us do. My touring Sedan has 17,000 miles and first started noticing it around 12,000 on extended highway drives. Now I can't drive straight down the interstate and stay within my lane. Good luck to you.

 

[cleanneon98]

Give it some time. Make sure you're driving 75 to 80 mph for an extended period of time 45 mins to an hour for me. You have the same rack and pinon as the rest of us do. My touring Sedan has 17,000 miles and first started noticing it around 12,000 on extended highway drives. Now I can't drive straight down the interstate and stay within my lane. Good luck to you.

I mean apparently this has been reported back to 2016 according to this thread, but never heard of it or seen it anywhere, so I’m sticking with it not being an issue for all cars. Yes we have the same rack but there may be some racks with internal faults/bad seals/tolerances, etc that aren’t likely present on all cars.

this is only US sales, so 129 reports for 2022 is not conclusive at all

 

[Hpacura]

I mean apparently this has been reported back to 2016 according to this thread, but never heard of it or seen it anywhere, so I’m sticking with it not being an issue for all cars. Yes we have the same rack but there may be some racks with internal faults/bad seals/tolerances, etc that aren’t likely present on all cars.

I guess since you've never heard of it or experienced it then it doesn't exist. You should do more research, there is alot of data out there. I'm not sure if the 11th generation rack and pinon is the same as 10th generation but 11th generation rack and pinons do have a known safety issue that's affecting ALL 2022-2023 civics and 2023 Acura Integra. There will eventually be a recall. The investigator I spoke with at NHTSA confirmed this. Please update the forum when you and your brothers rack and pinons start to malfunction. Also, heat and outside temperature seem to be a factor so depending on where you live that might also be the reason why you haven't noticed it, yet.

 

[cleanneon98]

I guess since you've never heard of it or experienced it then it doesn't exist. You should do more research, there is alot of data out there. I'm not sure if the 11th generation rack and pinon is the same as 10th generation but 11th generation rack and pinons do have a known safety issue that's affecting ALL 2022-2023 civics and 2023 Acura Integra. There will eventually be a recall. The investigator I spoke with at NHTSA confirmed this. Please update the forum when you and your brothers rack and pinons start to malfunction. Also, heat and outside temperature seem to be a factor so depending on where you live that might also be the reason why you haven't noticed it, yet.

Sure…we’ll see

edit: if it’s only a matter of time and temperature until the rack fails, why don’t we see a single rack replacement on this nearly 250k mile 2022 that was surely driven exclusively on the highway in TX and dealer maintained:2022 Honda Civic owner manages to rack up over 236,000 miles after just one year of ownership - Alt Car news

 

[Hpacura]

Sure…we’ll see

edit: if it’s only a matter of time and temperature until the rack fails, why don’t we see a single rack replacement on this 250k mile 2022 that was surely driven exclusively on the highway and dealer maintained:2022 Honda Civic owner manages to rack up over 236,000 miles after just one year of ownership - Alt Car news

You're making an assumption that the rack wasn't replaced? Have you spoken to this owner?

 

[cleanneon98]

You're making an assumption that the rack wasn't replaced? Have you spoken to this owner?

ANY service done by the dealer would be documented (as it was for the dozens of records). For gods sake they even document a lug nut replacement. Even recalls, my old car even has the hybrid system recall which was performed at 155,000 miles, on the CarFax.

 

[Hpacura]

ANY service done by the dealer would be documented (as it was for the dozens of records). For gods sake they even document a lug nut replacement. Even recalls, my old car even has the hybrid system recall which was performed at 155,000 miles, on the CarFax.

Now you're making another assumption that if his rack failed that he would have had the work performed at the dealer? Do you not understand the cost to replace a rack and pinon? His rack and pinon was out of warranty 2 months after he bought the car. What else you got?

 

[cleanneon98]

I think at this point you’re just finding any way (even some really poorly thought out ones) to try and blow this up to be a bigger issue than it is. Yes it’s safe to assume that a car that was dealer serviced every 2 weeks would have had this done at the dealer, or at least inspected, and the owner didn’t just decide to go to Sloppy Joe’s auto repair instead for this one kind of important issue. Steering wasn’t even checked until 200k miles or so, per the records. I think an overall lack of understanding of how these systems are built and how they can fail, is giving you the impression this is a WHEN problem, more-so than an IF problem. Good luck in your quest

 

[Hpacura]

I'm sorry you're having a hard time understanding this. Good luck with your vehicle. Please update the forum in the future.

 

[Civic_805]

So, when a car company recalls thousands of vehicles say for airbag or door latch, you don’t see everyone’s airbag blowing up or door latch releasing in the middle of the road. But it DOES NOT mean that if it happened to multiple drivers it won’t happen to other car owners of the same model in the future. But still they recall tens of thousands vehicles for the possibility. In this case this steering issue might be happening to the ones that has specific serial number or under certain circumstances etc. After a long time today sticky steering wheel issue was back and I almost pulled over because it was unbearable and unsafe for me to drive going 70. Outside temperature was around 65. I’m starting to think as others said it happens at warmer temperatures although I wouldn’t call 65 degrees hot. This issue is REAL and it is a safety issue and it doesn’t mean it’s happening to everyone but it also doesn’t mean it won’t happen in the future.

 

[cleanneon98]

Totally a real issue, but doesn’t mean it WILL affect everyone. Most recalls don’t mean that if you get into an accident your seatbelt WILL malfunction, or that your door WILL come open due to a faulty latch, just that it might and they are better off recalling bulk cars to be safe, as they should. So when I say my car and another owner I know is fine, and someone tells me “it WILL happen to you and everyone because every car has this problem just wait longer and for a warmer day” it just shows they don’t know how these components or recalls really work and just want to spread hysteria. Let’s not throw logic totally out of the window here.

 

[Hpacura]

This defect affects all 2022 to 2023 Honda Civics and the 2023 Acura Integra. They are all using the exact same defective steering rack and pinon. You may not be experiencing the issue now but you do have the same defective rack and pinon as everyone else. Thats a fact unlike all your assumptions. You should google what they say about assuming.

 

[cleanneon98]

So if Continental has one bad batch of the ContiProContact tire does that mean that every single ContiProContact tire has the same defect? People who claim to know everything, are the least knowledgeable of them all. Imagine talking to NHTSA customer service once and thinking you have everything figured out