[Fujisawa]

First off let me begin with this, sorry! I’m sorry but I just don’t understand why they call it a Sport when it’s slow as hell. I own an EX 1.5T and it’s so fun to drive (I’m sure that the Si is even more fun) but I drove a Sport today just to compare and was disappointed. When I sat in it the “sportiness” of it immediately got my attention. The leather trim seats, metal foot pedals, selecting Sport Mode and finally the paddle shifter. This was my first time driving a paddle shifter car. Needless to say, wow, holy hee haw this “Sport” is so slooow. It had the full HPD package but that didn’t make it any faster. Once again, sorry.
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well, yeah. it's like a type R, only the turbo got stolen to sell cheap on facebook marketplace.
more seriously, the theory is it's an unstressed K series that should last a while. but it's way down on power vs the 1.5T that is for sure!

 

[11406]

fun fact, when it accelerates it spins the world backwards a tiny bit!

And then Superman can save Lois Lane again

 

[11406]

The test drive went pretty well, but when I went to really send it on a freeway on-ramp, I was very disappointed in the lack of torque. I think I was in 3rd gear with some decent revs and the car just kind of lagged behind the pickup truck ahead of me that was walking away from me without even trying.

I test drove an HR-V EX-L. Same thing...fine for around town, but nailing the accelerator to merge into traffic only resulted in a bunch of noise. 😆

 

[Fujisawa]

I test drove an HR-V EX-L. Same thing...fine for around town, but nailing the accelerator to merge into traffic only resulted in a bunch of noise. 😆

some of it seems dependent on what the transmission is currently doing, or maybe this engine has dual valve timing maps for atkinson-like vs not operation, i dunno. tonight i needed to let a guy in and then immediately zipper merge before the following dude was next to me. a one second burst of power put him in his proper place, and this was uphill.

other times, adding throttle position seems to result in increased noise but very little change in acceleration.

needless to say, the perceived inconsistency is not always confidence inspiring. this car is faster than my Outback, a little, but the Outback more dependably will move ahead when you need it to.

the HRV would be the worst of all, because it has a bigger heavier body and the lowest output engine Honda has on offer right now.

 

[CivicSportSGP]

the HRV would be the worst of all, because it has a bigger heavier body and the lowest output engine Honda has on offer right now.

What's disappointing is that the rest-of-the-world ZR-V (aka the name of the USDM HR-V in other markets) is available with the hybrid powertrain. And as seen on the Civic hybrid in Car and Driver testing, it drastically improves performance.

To keep this thread on topic, I will say this. The K20C2 is a fine motor and the nearest thing to old-school VTEC in this day and age. But, I am envious of the aftermarket support for the 1.5T. And, given the regulatory environment, it's impressive what it can do.

If only we can rev it to 9000.

 

[Brendancw]

The amount of the black civic sport wheels I see with curb rash like this one hurts me. The red calipers draw your attention to it!

 

[Dr. Toboggan]

Y’all are all wrong! The calipers are pink and the interior is full of girlie girl accessories.

 

[Dr. Toboggan]

I test drove an HR-V EX-L. Same thing...fine for around town, but nailing the accelerator to merge into traffic only resulted in a bunch of noise. 😆

This is the same with my HR-V and it’s to the point of being dangerous when you’re trying to merge or get around traffic. I did know this before the test drive and noticed it during the test drive and bought it anyway but the 141 hp 1.8 liter engine is horrible, just tonight I made a right on red and it’s so slow that I didn’t have enough time to get some distance and the light turned green and before I knew it I had a crazy driver on my bumper while blowing the horn, my poor little HR-V was doing its best. It had the 1.5T in Asia and I wish it had that here.

That’s why I drive the Civic on out of town trips, 40 hp more from the turbo for passing and 40 mpg instead of 24 mpg. The HR-V is really a good versatile car for exactly what it is, a utility vehicle.

 

[rokonman]

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[TimC]

This is the same with my HR-V and it’s to the point of being dangerous when you’re trying to merge or get around traffic. I did know this before the test drive and noticed it during the test drive and bought it anyway but the 141 hp 1.8 liter engine is horrible, just tonight I made a right on red and it’s so slow that I didn’t have enough time to get some distance and the light turned green and before I knew it I had a crazy driver on my bumper while blowing the horn, my poor little HR-V was doing its best. It had the 1.5T in Asia and I wish it had that here.

That’s why I drive the Civic on out of town trips, 40 hp more from the turbo for passing and 40 mpg instead of 24 mpg. The HR-V is really a good versatile car for exactly what it is, a utility vehicle.

That merging thing was in my mind when I passed on the Civic Sport 6MT I test drove. There is an intersection I go through daily during my work commute where I'm turning left onto a road with some traffic (stop sign for me, but not for the road I'm turning onto). Sometimes I have to gun it to avoid traffic coming from my left and quickly get up to speed to avoid people coming up behind me who are doing 45+ mph. I just wasn't confident the 2.0 could do it quickly and safely enough. I also worried about passing power on 2-lane roads in rural areas, where the passing zone might be kind of short. My dad always used to say you need a car with enough power to get out of its own way.

None of this is to diss the 2.0 or the folks who own them. They have the peace of mind of knowing their engines will last forever, they have none of the worries or issues that can come with direct injection (and turbos), and they can still mod their cars to make more power if they want. But for me, I just wanted something a little faster and better equipped.

 

[saveMT]

I am a retired master mechanic. I grabbed one of the last 2.0 sports built in 8/24. Why? No turbo, no direct injection, no variable intake. Items that along with their supporting systems paid for my son’s college and paid off my mortgage. I can replace the occasional V.C. Gasket and make sure the valves are holding adjustment at the same time in 45 minutes. The last thing I want at this stage in life is problems. I have a Ducati if I need a little excitement.

And manual transmission, too, right? RIGHT??

 

[HKSpeed]

Car manufacturers use the term "sport" as a euphemism for base models. Sport = light weight. Thus car companies strip "sport" models of sunroof, leather, engine power, etc. Look at "sport" models from other car companies.

 

[Dr. Toboggan]

I am a retired master mechanic. Why? No turbo, no direct injection, no variable intake.

…and that, Sir, is why you are a mechanic and not a technician; modern cars are technical and need someone who is trained to repair them.

 

[k20c2_6mt]

I'm a master tech of over 32 years. I bought my 2.0 Sport because no DI, no turbo and not crappy CVT. Repair of such items has allowed me to build up my 401k for comfortable retirement. I can replace the air filter, oil and filter change in less than 15 minutes. At my age a simple vehicle is smart to own. I have a Harley for when I need excitement.

 

[Cueyo]

…and that, Sir, is why you are a mechanic and not a technician; modern cars are technical and need someone who is trained to repair them.

Technnician is the general term for anyone who knows technical stuff. A mechanic can be a technician, it's just a blanket term lol.

I can guarantee the average technician doesn't know how the control system in a car works too, so the point is moot, me tobaggan sir.

 

[Cueyo]

I'm a master technician of over 0 years. I bought my sport 2.0 because I liked the color black and I didn't have a lot of money when I bought it - AND MINE HAS THE CRAPPY CVT. I don't put any money in my 401k because saving is for chumps and my grandchildren will be glad to throw me in a NURSING HOME the second I stop leeching off of them. At my age a vehicle that's been riced out is stupid to own. I have a picture of a Ducati for when I need excitement.

We are not the same.

 

[saveMT]

I'm a master tech of over 32 years. I bought my 2.0 Sport because no DI, no turbo and not crappy CVT. Repair of such items has allowed me to build up my 401k for comfortable retirement. I can replace the air filter, oil and filter change in less than 15 minutes. At my age a simple vehicle is smart to own. I have a Harley for when I need excitement.

I can replace the filters and oil in less than 15 minutes, but jacking up the stupid car probably takes 2x that.

 

[TimC]

Car manufacturers use the term "sport" as a euphemism for base models. Sport = light weight. Thus car companies strip "sport" models of sunroof, leather, engine power, etc. Look at "sport" models from other car companies.

I feel like 'sport' trims used to actually mean something -- upgrade suspension, more power, better brakes, etc. But now it's like @HKSpeed said, it's usually just a trim level for most car companies. It's a step above the base trim, maybe with a colored stripe or colored stitching in the seats. 😕

 

[Cueyo]

I can replace the filters and oil in less than 15 minutes, but jacking up the stupid car probably takes 2x that.

Before I got ramps it used to take almost an hour to get the car up from the pinge welds

 

[Chaz]

…and that, Sir, is why you are a mechanic and not a technician; modern cars are technical and need someone who is trained to repair them.

You are NOT allowed to be happy with your purchase!!!
You MUST buy a 1.5t on civic forums