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Based on you second part of sentence it looks like updating maps from USB drive is kind of major PITA? No I never had to do any updates from USB drive as my card has no NAVI.
It goes something like this - you put the drive in the car, navigation generates a download code, you go to the computer, Garmin site reads the code, downloads ~10GB update on the drive, then you go back to the car and apply update.

re: obsolete map - I drove like that for about a year, and it worked fine until it sent me onto a street that had been replaced with a tollway entrance.
 
As someone already mentioned, the hybrid gets fantastic mileage in the city, but highway mileage is only about the same as ice cars.

And the hybrid’s highway passing power is generally weaker than gas-only cars. If you do a lot of highway driving, a hybrid may not be right for you.

Car companies are moving to hybrids and EVs for one reason and one reason only. Fuel efficiency.

On the other hand, if you drive ride share or do local deliveries, a hybrid will save you a bunch in fuel costs.
 
I bought a 2024 Touring sedan recently, and nothing about the announcement for the hybrid is making me second-guess my decision. I don't drive enough, and gas prices here aren't high enough, for me to earn back the price premium in gas savings. I noticed the new Sport Touring trim, which will be the highest trim level, no longer includes rear seat USB ports at all. Now, if we get an HR-V hybrid in the next few years that's equivalent in features to the ZR-V sold in Europe, I'll be interested.
 
As someone already mentioned, the hybrid gets fantastic mileage in the city, but highway mileage is only about the same as ice cars.

And the hybrid’s highway passing power is generally weaker than gas-only cars. If you do a lot of highway driving, a hybrid may not be right for you.

Car companies are moving to hybrids and EVs for one reason and one reason only. Fuel efficiency.

On the other hand, if you drive ride share or do local deliveries, a hybrid will save you a bunch in fuel costs.
considering it's the 2.0 hybrid, or the same 2.0 without any help at all, I'm not sure I'd call the highway passing power better on the gas only ;)
but perhaps less than the outgoing turbo. Hard to say. It will make more power than the Si now.
 
considering it's the 2.0 hybrid, or the same 2.0 without any help at all, I'm not sure I'd call the highway passing power better on the gas only ;)
but perhaps less than the outgoing turbo. Hard to say. It will make more power than the Si now.
It isn’t the same gas motor in the hybrid. It is a low output Atkinson cycle motor. Top speed in the hybrid is less than in the gas motor Civics as is the acceleration above 60 mph.
 
I doubt you will be forced to use 'specifically developed tire' as replacement. I am sure you can use any tire you like fitting on 18" rims (THANK YOU - they did not go with annoying 19"); you might lose few MPG, though.
Some years ago I recall a couple of car makers spec'd unique run flat tires and the rims would not allow ordinary aftermarket replacement tires when the time came. Something to consider/rule out.
 
It goes something like this - you put the drive in the car, navigation generates a download code, you go to the computer, Garmin site reads the code, downloads ~10GB update on the drive, then you go back to the car and apply update.

re: obsolete map - I drove like that for about a year, and it worked fine until it sent me onto a street that had been replaced with a tollway entrance.
Oh!
At lease in Canada, Ontario we do not have that much toll roads and you have to be blind to enter one by mistake.
 
It isn’t the same gas motor in the hybrid. It is a low output Atkinson cycle motor. Top speed in the hybrid is less than in the gas motor Civics as tsis the acceleration above 60 mph.
Honda engine codes are always so hard to track down for new models, gah. I think it's the LFB-H4
could be wrong. You are totally right it's not the same engine, in fact it's not even in the same engine family and this surprised me to learn. It is an R series engine!
But it has a lot more torque than the K20C2 base engine even without the hybrid motors.
I also learned the 2023 crv hybrid (which is what I am basing this on), is not the same design as the 2022 at all. It gets a two motor setup which are now separate, and the gas engine gets a low speed clutch for direct drive under more circumstance. This, also, all surprised me to learn. It is a very quiet leap forward they're making no fuss about at all.
 
The 2025 civic hybrid drivetrain will be almost idential to the current Accord hybrid drivetrain. I have a 2024 CR-V hybrid which is also similar but has a 2nd low speed engine to driveshaft lockup clutch that the Accord and Civc does not have. The CR-V also has a different drive gear ratio. The Civic hybrid will be just fine on a highway at any legal speed. Where the Honda hybrid system falls on it's face is in prolonged uphill driving where the battery capacity empties and you only have 145hp ICE power that can no longer generate enough power to keep the battery charged. This review of the Accord explains the drivetrain quite well.
 
What is the benefit of that second gear you mentioned.

Can you comment and compare Honda vs. Toyota hybrid system? Both are prized high by Car Nut Guy and youtube.
Current Honda Hybrid system is actually pretty easy to understand.
Think of it as an EV with built-in gas-powered generator in most situations.
So the engine does NOT directly propel the car, again in most situations.

The only additional quirk is that there is a mechanism to connect the engine directly to the drive wheels.
Think of it as a manual transmission car with just the 6th gear, plus the EV stuff. Obviously, you can't use this at low speeds.

The CR-V difference is that it has one more gear, kind of like a manual transmission car with 2nd and 6th gear, plus the EV stuff of course. (Actual gear ratios are not representative of any typical 2nd and 6th gear ratios).

I assume CR-V has the low gear addition for low-speed off-road use, because the loss from generator to drive motor would add up in that use case. In normal paved road use, they consider it a non-issue.

Toyota's system is a whole different story. You should watch WeberAuto YouTube channel to get the full picture.
 
What is the benefit of that second gear you mentioned.

Can you comment and compare Honda vs. Toyota hybrid system? Both are prized high by Car Nut Guy and youtube.
The low speed clutch that is exclusive to the CR-V is used to provide the ability to tow something (though not much). The Toyota system is also quite good but it uses a planetary gear set that the Honda system has eliminated. I had a vehicle with the Toyota hybrid system and while it was good, it was not as smooth as the Honda system when switching between drive modes. (battery only, battery+ICE, ICE only)
 
The low speed clutch that is exclusive to the CR-V is used to provide the ability to tow something (though not much). The Toyota system is also quite good but it uses a planetary gear set that the Honda system has eliminated. I had a vehicle with the Toyota hybrid system and while it was good, it was not as smooth as the Honda system when switching between drive modes. (battery only, battery+ICE, ICE only)
So second gear is for towing? I do not need that... Thanks.
Could you elaborate Toyota vs. Honda CVT (planetary gear). Why you do not like that?
 
I never said I did not like the Toyota system. The planetary gear set is just more complicated than Honda's single drive gear design. To be fair, the Toyota system I had was from 2016 so the current generation may be improved in terms of smoothness.
 
I doubt you will be forced to use 'specifically developed tire' as replacement. I am sure you can use any tire you like fitting on 18" rims (THANK YOU - they did not go with annoying 19"); you might lose few MPG, though.
Raiti's Rides did a quick review of this 2025 Hybrid. There is no spare tire and it looked like that space is being used for some battery placement.
 
I put in my order for a 2025 Civic hatchback sport touring model with my neighbor who is a principal at the local Honda dealership. I will report when it comes in.
 
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