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Just recently got a ‘23 ST and love it! I want to mod it but make it last 10 years. Will getting the eibach pro kit mess with adaptive suspension? Are the camber arms required? Is tuning a CVT possible?

I only have 1400 miles in it, but only used 93 gas and want a little more pep out of it. All I’m thinking is lowering it, tune, down/front pipe and tires. What do y’all recommend I use? Keeping in mind longevity.
Daily, to and from work, vacations with wife will be only use. Not track
 
The 2023 Civic ST hatchback does not have an adaptive suspension.

Even the 11th gen Civic Si does not have an adaptive suspension (which the 10th gen Si did); only the Civic Type R does.

"Tuning" the engine in your ST for more power certainly is possible. For example, Hondata makes a CARB compliant (street legal) tune for the 11th Gen 1.5T that modifies the boost and fuel/spark timings to make it very close to a stock Si in performance. It doesn't matter if it's the CVT or the 6MT transmission, but it does require using 91+ Octane.

Without such a tune, just driving a stock ST, there is no point at all to use 93 Octane fuel. You will not "get a little more pep out of it" in so doing, except in your head.

Lowering the car will shorten the life of the suspension.

Changing the down/front pipes (without an engine tune) will only make the car sound different, and not perform very much differently. With a tune, well, most of the performance gain would come from the tune.

The more aggressively you tune and push your 1.5T engine, the less longevity you are likely to get from it.
 
Keeping in mind longevity.
Daily, to and from work, vacations with wife will be only use. Not track
Then keep it stock. You can mod it and still make it last 10+ years, you’ll just have more issues along the way. If you want the car to handle better without riding worse, get better tires and sway bars. These 1.5t are designed for economy so throwing considerably more power at it is going to stress everything, and modding to get a tiny boost hardly seems worth the effort. Enjoy the car for what it is, and put your mod money towards another vacation
 
Just recently got a ‘23 ST and love it! I want to mod it but make it last 10 years. Will getting the eibach pro kit mess with adaptive suspension? Are the camber arms required? Is tuning a CVT possible?

I only have 1400 miles in it, but only used 93 gas and want a little more pep out of it. All I’m thinking is lowering it, tune, down/front pipe and tires. What do y’all recommend I use? Keeping in mind longevity.
Daily, to and from work, vacations with wife will be only use. Not track
If you get springs with matching shocks you should be in good shape! That’s what I did and it works well :)
 
My suggestion is to pay the car off and then worry about mods. After you pay it off, and if you plan to keep the car a long time (i.e 10 years or more) then mod it however you want. But it seems to me that people that buy used cars prefer to buy them in stock condition. So if you think you might end up selling before 10 years, keep it base. Otherwise, do whatever you want to it, within reason.
 
My suggestion is to pay the car off and then worry about mods. After you pay it off, and if you plan to keep the car a long time (i.e 10 years or more) then mod it however you want. But it seems to me that people that buy used cars prefer to buy them in stock condition. So if you think you might end up selling before 10 years, keep it base. Otherwise, do whatever you want to it, within reason.
I would hope that goes without saying - I don't see anything in the OP that mentioned carrying a loan/lien on the car.

But hey kids: in general, if there is a lien on the car, it's not really yours, you're borrowing it from the bank.

That may sound like a trite saying, but the fact is that modifying the car generally REDUCES not increases its value, so don't do it (except superficially) until it's actually YOUR car, completely, or you could be in for some pain.

Most or all car dealerships would not only not give you anything extra for your lowering springs, aftermarket intake and exhaust, etc., but will actually discount their offer (significantly) because they'd have to remove them and restore the car to stock in order to sell it. (Surprise! Buying a modified car from a dealership is Not Really A Thing).

And so, if you modify your car in a way that you can't easily reverse, you're most likely going to be looking to find a private buyer who likes or doesn't mind your modifications when you sell your car. For max value, you would be looking for a fellow "enthusiast" whose tastes run similar, and would have done what you did anyway, or will mod it themselves anyway and doesn't care.

But you can't sell your car privately without a clean/clear title for immediate transfer. Nobody buys a car privately that has a lien on it: you'd have to pay off the lien (with the money they just gave you to buy it) to get sole title before transferring it to the new owner, which would take a few weeks.

If you had to suddenly sell or trade in the car before you paid it off, those types of mods will be a double burden - you paid for them once, and you'll pay for them again in lost value.

Tint the windows? Sure, almost everyone does anyway (and it's easy to remove). Add a powered subwoofer to the stock audio system? Relatively easy to reverse. Tune the engine, even? You can restore the ECU to stock. Change the wheels? Keep the OEM ones in storage to put back on until you're clear.

Modify the exhaust / cat delete / headers / lowering springs / sway bars...? Those are all negative value mods for resale.
 
I used to own a 10th gen with the 1.5t. No bolt ons, just did Hondata +6 reflash. Really woke the car up, much more noticeable than when I did the same on my Type R.
FWIW I did used oil analysis before and after the tune (because I’m a geek), and there was no difference in wear metals. Enjoy!
 
I would hope that goes without saying - I don't see anything in the OP that mentioned carrying a loan/lien on the car.

But hey kids: in general, if there is a lien on the car, it's not really yours, you're borrowing it from the bank.

That may sound like a trite saying, but the fact is that modifying the car generally REDUCES not increases its value, so don't do it (except superficially) until it's actually YOUR car, completely, or you could be in for some pain.

Most or all car dealerships would not only not give you anything extra for your lowering springs, aftermarket intake and exhaust, etc., but will actually discount their offer (significantly) because they'd have to remove them and restore the car to stock in order to sell it. (Surprise! Buying a modified car from a dealership is Not Really A Thing).

And so, if you modify your car in a way that you can't easily reverse, you're most likely going to be looking to find a private buyer who likes or doesn't mind your modifications when you sell your car. For max value, you would be looking for a fellow "enthusiast" whose tastes run similar, and would have done what you did anyway, or will mod it themselves anyway and doesn't care.

But you can't sell your car privately without a clean/clear title for immediate transfer. Nobody buys a car privately that has a lien on it: you'd have to pay off the lien (with the money they just gave you to buy it) to get sole title before transferring it to the new owner, which would take a few weeks.

If you had to suddenly sell or trade in the car before you paid it off, those types of mods will be a double burden - you paid for them once, and you'll pay for them again in lost value.

Tint the windows? Sure, almost everyone does anyway (and it's easy to remove). Add a powered subwoofer to the stock audio system? Relatively easy to reverse. Tune the engine, even? You can restore the ECU to stock. Change the wheels? Keep the OEM ones in storage to put back on until you're clear.

Modify the exhaust / cat delete / headers / lowering springs / sway bars...? Those are all negative value mods for resale.
Keeping in mind a tune is going to abolish almost any warranty the car has remaining.
Oddly enough though the dealerships where I'm at sell cars as is, even with modifications.
 
Keeping in mind a tune is going to abolish almost any warranty the car has remaining.
Oddly enough though the dealerships where I'm at sell cars as is, even with modifications.
This is true, an ECU tune is likely to result in a dealership rejecting powertrain warranty claims, even if it's hard to prove any causal connection, based on people's history; you could fight them on it, but it'd be a major hassle.

However, warranty claims unrelated to the powertrain (e.g., electronics like infotainment, power seats/windows, seat belt/airbag failures) should not be affected. And given the 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty on these 11th gen Civics, a powertrain related failure should be really unlikely.

They probably wouldn't even check. I had a passenger seat belt lock in position in my 2007 Acura TSX that had aftermarket air intake, high-flow cat converter, and an ECU tune when it was 12+ years old with over 140,000 miles on it; the warranty on it was "lifetime" and my dealership replaced the seat belt mechanisms at no cost, no questions asked.

Oh, and if that "steering glitch" thing in the 2022-23 Civics being reported/discussed in another thread ends up as a recall, that's also not a "warranty claim" but a factory error.
 
This is true, an ECU tune is likely to result in a dealership rejecting powertrain warranty claims, even if it's hard to prove any causal connection, based on people's history; you could fight them on it, but it'd be a major hassle.

However, warranty claims unrelated to the powertrain (e.g., electronics like infotainment, power seats/windows, seat belt/airbag failures) should not be affected. And given the 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty on these 11th gen Civics, a powertrain related failure should be really unlikely.

They probably wouldn't even check. I had a passenger seat belt lock in position in my 2007 Acura TSX that had aftermarket air intake, high-flow cat converter, and an ECU tune when it was 12+ years old with over 140,000 miles on it; the warranty on it was "lifetime" and my dealership replaced the seat belt mechanisms at no cost, no questions asked.

Oh, and if that "steering glitch" thing in the 2022-23 Civics being reported/discussed in another thread ends up as a recall, that's also not a "warranty claim" but a factory error.
Oh that's awesome! Yeah my buddy blew his 2020 civic Si engine with his tune (of course the kid didn't know what he was doing when he tuned it himself) and pushed the engine WAY too hard. Warranty dissolved immediately haha.
 
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