Potential RECALL or LEMON LAW issue 11th Gen Sport

WMB9696 · Feb 3, 2023

(contact Honda at 800-999-1009 if you have this issue)
I have an 11th gen 2022 civic sport sedan. In short: when the air vent setting is put on head/feet, virtually zero air comes out of the head vent (like you set it to windshield/feet). I bought it brand new, and also previously had a AC leak issue fixed at same dealer I took it to for this.
The dealership agreed and confirmed that what I described is correct, BUT ALSO that MULTIPLE tested cars for reference (same year and models) did the exact same thing. I was advised to contact American Honda Corporate (number at top) about this due to nothing the dealership could "fix" due to it being a designed problem.
When I called AHC and described the issue, and after put in hold a few times, I was told that this "is not a design issue/problem and it is a FEATURE"...really? It is designed to not work? Then the guy started questioning the validity of the Honda trained service workers and that there is no chance of Honda fixing the problem due to it being a "feature" or doing a buy-back.
So now I am starting the process of starting the Lemon Law claims (submitting written offer of a buy-back, and then for arbitration if not taken back).
I urge you all to see if your cars have this issue as well, and if so, contact the number at the top, tell them the vent issue, and for them to fix their problem that is not a feature. I have my documents from their dealer workers who urged me to go this route, but others have to as well.

hasbulla · Feb 3, 2023

It's interesting learning about people's thresholds on "lemon-ing" their car. I have the same "problem" with less air coming from the head vent than feet, but I've just learned to live with it.

WMB9696 · Feb 3, 2023

hasbulla said:
It's interesting learning about people's thresholds on "lemon-ing" their car. I have the same "problem" with less air coming from the head vent than feet, but I've just learned to live with it.

A big thing for me in general is I do get upset when something doesn't do the thing its designed purpose is. When I got told this was a "Feature", I fucking lost it. It may be a system update fix since the other settings work for vents, so maybe the computer is wrongfully saying "close head vents" during this. For me as an individual, what other options do I have to get what I paid for? If the horn didn't work when the steering wheel was at a certain height setting, would that be called a feature and be something to just learn to deal with? Or should companies be held accountable for their poor work?

Nocturnal · Feb 3, 2023

WMB9696 said:
(contact Honda at 800-999-1009 if you have this issue)
I have an 11th gen 2022 civic sport sedan. In short: when the air vent setting is put on head/feet, virtually zero air comes out of the head vent (like you set it to windshield/feet). I bought it brand new, and also previously had a AC leak issue fixed at same dealer I took it to for this.
The dealership agreed and confirmed that what I described is correct, BUT ALSO that MULTIPLE tested cars for reference (same year and models) did the exact same thing. I was advised to contact American Honda Corporate (number at top) about this due to nothing the dealership could "fix" due to it being a designed problem.
When I called AHC and described the issue, and after put in hold a few times, I was told that this "is not a design issue/problem and it is a FEATURE"...really? It is designed to not work? Then the guy started questioning the validity of the Honda trained service workers and that there is no chance of Honda fixing the problem due to it being a "feature" or doing a buy-back.
So now I am starting the process of starting the Lemon Law claims (submitting written offer of a buy-back, and then for arbitration if not taken back).
I urge you all to see if your cars have this issue as well, and if so, contact the number at the top, tell them the vent issue, and for them to fix their problem that is not a feature. I have my documents from their dealer workers who urged me to go this route, but others have to as well.

NOT a problem. So no.

WMB9696 · Feb 3, 2023

Nocturnal said:
NOT a problem. So no.

How is it not a problem? The setting does not work. The designed and advertised function does not work.

Nocturnal · Feb 3, 2023

Works fine for me. I rarely need hot air to my face, but I get air coming out when the car is warmed up enough and select that mode. So again. Not a problem. You just don't seem to understand how it works on this car...

Pearlescent · Feb 3, 2023

Mine has this same problem. Setting it to “forward only, no feet” I get a good stream of hot air. I figured it was only weak because of it not having as big of air intakes compared to my previous vehicle (Odyssey) and having to split that stream two ways.

It doesn’t bother me too much; car still gets plenty warm/cool. But if there’s a recall program to fix it, that would be neat.

Pearlescent · Feb 3, 2023

Let’s stop with the name calling, there’s no sense to be getting so heated. OP can pursue a potential lemon law and other’s can choose not to. No need to get upset with one another over something as trivial as opinions on the vents.

cleanneon98 · Feb 3, 2023

You're not going to get much airflow on the lowest setting. Just because you don't understand how climate control systems work does not make this a lemon. There are also what, 7 speeds for the fan setting; of course the lowest level is going to barely move any air... Every car I've had barely gives any airflow on the first fan setting, especially if you're standing still and there's no airflow into the system from he car moving. My bigger concern is the chirping sound the HVAC blower makes behind the glovebox whenever the fan is on any setting, its a little annoying.

WMB9696 · Feb 3, 2023

cleanneon98 said:
You're not going to get much airflow on the lowest setting. Just because you don't understand how climate control systems work does not make this a lemon. There are also what, 7 speeds for the fan setting; of course the lowest level is going to barely move any air... Every car I've had barely gives any airflow on the first fan setting, especially if you're standing still and there's no airflow into the system from he car moving. My bigger concern is the chirping sound the HVAC blower makes behind the glovebox whenever the fan is on any setting, its a little annoying.

My brother in Christ, who said it was on the lowest setting? If I crank the fan speed on max, the same amount of air comes out the head vents as if it was on any other fan speed setting. While of course it would be less than if just on the head setting, it's actually like if you had it on lvl 1 for the head vents when you set it to maximum.

cleanneon98 · Feb 3, 2023

WMB9696 said:
My brother in Christ, who said it was on the lowest setting? If I crank the fan speed on max, the same amount of air comes out the head vents as if it was on any other fan speed setting. While of course it would be less than if just on the head setting, it's actually like if you had it on lvl 1 for the head vents when you set it to maximum.

Is this with the heat or ac? Mine definitely "blows less hard" from the front vents with heat compared to cool, probably because getting blasted with hot air in the face is not very pleasant. Regardless, the car has no issues keeping the cabin at the temperature I want and I doubt yours does too. It seems like we're trying to make a big deal out of nothing here just so you can return your car

WMB9696 · Feb 3, 2023

cleanneon98 said:
Is this with the heat or ac? Mine definitely "blows less hard" from the front vents with heat compared to cool, probably because getting blasted with hot air in the face is not very pleasant. Regardless, the car has no issues keeping the cabin at the temperature I want and I doubt yours does too. It seems like we're trying to make a big deal out of nothing here just so you can return your car

I just want my it to work as it should one way or another. It currently seems like maybe a software update to fully allow both vents to blow air could fix the issue, which means there's nothing I can do as a car owner to solve their delivered issue.

Nocturnal · Feb 3, 2023

cleanneon98 said:
Is this with the heat or ac? Mine definitely "blows less hard" from the front vents with heat compared to cool, probably because getting blasted with hot air in the face is not very pleasant. Regardless, the car has no issues keeping the cabin at the temperature I want and I doubt yours does too. It seems like we're trying to make a big deal out of nothing here just so you can return your car

That's exactly how it's supposed to work. Because as you said, there's NO point to be blasted in the face and feet with hot air. ESPECIALLY, when your car will heat up on any setting to the temp specified. The car is also smart enough (programed) to ramp up how much hot air comes out of the front vents until the car is warmed up sufficiently (it will blow more if you max out the fan speed, but increases even more as the engine heats up).
I would assume it does this to concentrate the heat it does have to your feet (which warms you up quicker), and to not overwhelm the heating element with a tornado of air while it struggles to keep up with what you're asking of it.
So heat out of the front vents can take longer or does "not work" (as OP ignorantly claims) if it is cold out, since these small/efficient engine cars take a while to get up to temp. Then if you have short slow commutes, even more so....

Nocturnal · Feb 3, 2023

WMB9696 said:
I just want my it to work as it should one way or another. It currently seems like maybe a software update to fully allow both vents to blow air could fix the issue, which means there's nothing I can do as a car owner to solve their delivered issue.

NOT an issue. Get that out of your Karen mind. Sell your car if you're not happy with it.

Nocturnal · Feb 3, 2023

WMB9696 · Feb 3, 2023

Nocturnal said:
That's exactly how it's supposed to work. Because as you said, there's NO point to be blasted in the face and feet with hot air. ESPECIALLY, when your car will heat up on any setting to the temp specified. The car is also smart enough (programed) to ramp up how much hot air comes out of the front vents until the car is warmed up sufficiently (it will blow more if you max out the fan speed, but increases even more as the engine heats up).
I would assume it does this to concentrate the heat it does have to your feet (which warms you up quicker), and to not overwhelm the heating element while it struggles to keep up with what you're asking of it.
So heat out of the front vents can take longer or does "not work" (as OP ignorantly claims) if it is cold out, since these small/efficient engine cars take a while to get up to temp. Then if you have short slow commutes, even more so....

It doesn't matter the temperature of the AC setting. It doesn't matter if the engine is warm or cold. Doesn't matter how long the fans have been already going. The results are the same. Also, if the thinking of "not wanting to be blasted in the face" is true, then when isn't that thinking there for if the setting is on head vents? If you want hot air max on your face or not, vent angles can me moved. This is something not working as intended, advertised, etc, due to errors made by Honda.

Nocturnal · Feb 3, 2023

WMB9696 said:
It doesn't matter the temperature of the AC setting. It doesn't matter if the engine is warm or cold. Doesn't matter how long the fans have been already going. The results are the same. Also, if the thinking of "not wanting to be blasted in the face" is true, then when isn't that thinking there for if the setting is on head vents? If you want hot air max on your face or not, vent angles can me moved. This is something not working as intended, advertised, etc, due to errors made by Honda.

You're a mess. Good luck with your "Lemon" case. I for one will not help a karen type with this non issue.

cleanneon98 · Feb 3, 2023

Nocturnal said:
That's exactly how it's supposed to work. Because as you said, there's NO point to be blasted in the face and feet with hot air. ESPECIALLY, when your car will heat up on any setting to the temp specified. The car is also smart enough (programed) to ramp up how much hot air comes out of the front vents until the car is warmed up sufficiently (it will blow more if you max out the fan speed, but increases even more as the engine heats up).
I would assume it does this to concentrate the heat it does have to your feet (which warms you up quicker), and to not overwhelm the heating element with a tornado of air while it struggles to keep up with what you're asking of it.
So heat out of the front vents can take longer or does "not work" (as OP ignorantly claims) if it is cold out, since these small/efficient engine cars take a while to get up to temp. Then if you have short slow commutes, even more so....

I'm sure its a tough balancing act for the engine too, how much energy do we put towards getting the engine up to temp and avoiding oil dilution vs how much do we put towards the heater to make the occupants comfortable. The biggest hurdle I've found with these issues is the people who think they know the most typically a. know the least and b. are typically the least receptive to being educated. They've convinced themselves that the service technicians are out to get them, and that anyone who tries to rationalize their problem is just a fanboy. Guess what, the dealerships get paid to perform warranty work, so if there is a problem, they have no incentive NOT to service that problem for you, but they aren't going to help if you come in with an entitled attitude based on misinformation/misunderstanding

WMB9696 · Feb 3, 2023

Nocturnal said:
NOT an issue. Get that out of your Karen mind. Sell your car if you're not happy with it.

Yeah. Ill sell it back to Honda due to the issue that just doesn't matter or effect you as much.

Nocturnal said:
You're a mess. Good luck with your "Lemon" case. I for one will not help a karen type with this non issue.

Cool. Just ignore this and keep moving ya cunt.

Nocturnal · Feb 3, 2023

cleanneon98 said:
I'm sure its a tough balancing act for the engine too, how much energy do we put towards getting the engine up to temp and avoiding oil dilution vs how much do we put towards the heater to make the occupants comfortable. The biggest hurdle I've found with these issues is the people who think they know the most typically a. know the least and b. are typically the least receptive to being educated. They've convinced themselves that the service technicians are out to get them, and that anyone who tries to rationalize their problem is just a fanboy. Guess what, the dealerships get paid to perform warranty work, so if there is a problem, they have no incentive NOT to service that problem for you, but they aren't going to help if you come in with an entitled attitude based on misinformation/misunderstanding

Bingo. OP already has it in their mind it's an issue and refuses to think otherwise. You would think if Honda tells you one thing, and that even the service techs tested and confirmed that same result on SEVERAL of the same car, it would be enough. But no, that means ALL cars are lemon (wow). The fact that the service techs said otherwise is moot. They do not know everything and can be/are wrong at times. Especially on new cars they have not worked on often yet. OP is acting like the car is not even heating up, which it is. We all even say it works as they claim it doesn't, and still everyone is wrong. It's broken (yet still the car heats up).

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