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I work as a a Honda sales person in Canada. They both have their benefits. Before starting 5-years ago I had BSM in my Mazda and I loved it compared to the lane watch. I now find the lanewatch is a lot more useful. It’s good for people with bad necks and for spotting someone in two lanes over from you. It’s also beneficial for bikers on the road and people crossing at a cross walk in your blind spot.
Welcome to the forum @HammerHonda

Did they give you any info on the Civics already or are you just finding out tonight like the rest of us?
 
Discussion starter · #42 ·
I work as a a Honda sales person in Canada. They both have their benefits. Before starting 5-years ago I had BSM in my Mazda and I loved it compared to the lane watch. I now find the lanewatch is a lot more useful. It’s good for people with bad necks and for spotting someone in two lanes over from you. It’s also beneficial for bikers on the road and people crossing at a cross walk in your blind spot.
I completely agree @HammerHonda! Lanewatch gives you way more information to work with than BSM. I really want Honda to start using the Honda e's camera mirrors in more of their other cars.
 
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April 28, 2021 — TORRANCE, Calif.
  • All-new Civic Sedan is a modern expression of classic Civic values, inside and out
  • Simple and clean interior design indicates direction for future Honda vehicles
  • Powertrain improvements increase performance and fuel efficiency, while adding refinement
  • Upgraded chassis and high-rigidity body improve dynamics and NVH
  • Safety technology advances include next-gen front airbags, enhanced Honda Sensing®
Honda today revealed the most fun-to-drive and technologically advanced Civic Sedan in the model’s nearly 50-year history. The all-new 2022 Honda Civic boasts a clean, modern design paired with a high-tech, human-centered interior, and equipped with advanced active and passive safety systems. Previewed in November 2020 in prototype form, the 11th-generation Civic continues the tradition of innovation, design leadership and class-leading driving dynamics.

As Honda’s longest-running automotive nameplate, Americans have purchased more than 12 million Civics since 1973, making it one of the top three best-selling passenger cars in America over the past 48 years. With sales of more than 1.7 million units over the last five years, Civic has been the No. 1 model in America – car or light truck – with first-time buyers, Millennials, Gen Z and multicultural customers, since the launch of the 10th-gen model in 2015.
“Civic has been the go-to choice for compact car buyers for almost 50 years and the all-new 11th-generation Honda Civic builds on that leadership with simple and sporty styling inside and out, best-in-class features and class-leading performance,” said Dave Gardner, executive vice president of National Operations, American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
What's New:
  • All-new simple, clean exterior and interior styling
  • Civic first all-digital LCD instrument display (Touring)
  • Standard new 7-inch color touchscreen with Apple CarPlay® & Android Auto™ integration
  • Available new HD 9-inch color touchscreen with wireless Apple CarPlay® & Android Auto™ integration
  • Civic-first Bose premium sound system with 12 speakers (Touring)
  • Qi-compatible wireless charging (Touring)
  • Enhanced architecture and stronger body
  • More powerful and fuel-efficient 1.5-liter turbo engine
  • Updated suspension and steering tuning for improved handling and ride
  • Groundbreaking new front airbags designed to reduce traumatic brain and neck injuries
  • Civic-first rear seat side airbags
  • Updated Honda Sensing® system with new front wide-view camera, plus new Traffic Jam Assist and Low Speed Braking Control (Touring)
Man Maximum/Machine Minimum Philosophy
In designing the 11th-generation Civic, Honda stylists and engineers sought to create a car that would be a “breath of fresh air” in the segment by revisiting timeless design concepts of previous generation Civics. They focused on the original Honda design approach of “Man-Maximum, Machine-Minimum” (or “M/M”), which uses technology and design to serve the needs of the driver and passengers. The styling of the 2022 Civic manifests these timeless design concepts in a fresh and exhilarating new way.
A “thin and light” body design with a low hood and front fenders, and a low horizontal beltline grounds the body, accentuates the wheels and tires, and enables an expansive, airy greenhouse. Inside, the M/M approach results in a strikingly simple, clean and modern take on classic Civic values. By evoking the uncluttered cabin design of early generations of Civic, the new model’s interior features exceptional visibility, intuitive ergonomics, extraordinary passenger volume and driver-focused technology.
Exterior Design
Key to the new Civic’s upscale styling was moving the bottom of the windshield pillars rearward by nearly 2 inches (1.96 inches), which elongates its hood for a premium silhouette. This also visually connects the pillar to the front wheel hub, a subtle design element that emphasizes its wheels and tires for a stable, planted stance.
A low beltline with horizontal windowsills and door-mounted side mirrors improve visibility while maintaining the clean lines of the exterior. A sharp shoulder character line carves a gentle arc from the front fender to the taillights, giving continuity to the design. The lower character line carries up from the bottom of the front door, rising across the rear doors, and through the rear fenders for an enhanced sense of motion.
The additional stability provided by its new wider rear track is emphasized by stronger rear shoulders, wide-set LED taillights, and the upswept and aerodynamically efficient trailing edge of its trunk lid.
LED lighting is used extensively for the exterior, including the wide-set headlights, daytime running lights, parking lights, and available fog lights.
The Civic Sedan will be available in eight exterior colors, three of which are new: Meteorite Gray Metallic, Sonic Gray Pearl and all-new Civic-exclusive Morning Mist Blue Metallic.
Human-Centered Interior Design
Honda’s outstanding interior packaging results in ample head, leg, shoulder and hip room for all passengers. A feeling of spaciousness is immediately felt and shared by all Civic occupants, thanks to the low, flat beltline and uncluttered design throughout its cabin.
The pulled-back A-pillars, low hood, flat dashboard and hidden windshield wipers enable a windshield with clearly defined corners for a panoramic view. The low cowl is the same height as the door sills for an uninterrupted and harmonious flow that extends from the dash all the way to the rear doors. The outside mirrors also have been positioned away from the windshield pillars to improve visibility.
Further improving visibility is the top of the Civic’s instrument panel, which has been designed with minimum cutlines to reduce windshield reflections and visual distractions.
A striking metal honeycomb mesh accent stretches from door to door across the dash. It serves both form and function, creating a dramatic visual dividing line between the audio, information displays and the climate controls, while the intricate flow-through design conceals the air vents that would otherwise mar the uncluttered and harmonious look of the dash.
High-quality materials are used throughout the interior, especially on touchpoints, with close attention paid to the operation of all switchgear and controls. Materials were also chosen with an eye toward practicality, such as the new premium center console trim specifically designed to hide fingerprints and smudges to help maintain a high-end appearance.
All Civic trims benefit from a new front seat design. Using Honda’s Body Stabilizing Seat approach, the new-generation seat frame firmly holds the body, enhancing comfort on long drives.
Driver Focused Technology
Technology has also been smartly integrated with the M/M approach. For the first time, all Civic trims have either a partial or full (Touring) digital instrument display while gaining notably larger standard and available color touchscreens.
LX, Sport and EX grades are equipped with a 7-inch color LCD instrument display similar to that found in Accord. An all-digital speedometer and tachometer are on the left side of the instrument panel, while a physical speedometer dial occupies the right side.
Touring models are graced with Civic’s first all-digital LCD instrument display. Measuring 10.2 inches, the high-definition full-color LCD panel displays a variety of information, all customizable from the steering wheel. The custom modes include showing gauges in a traditional round needle-and-dial, or bar graphs flanking the left and right of the screen. In the middle is a variety of user-selectable information, such as the current music selection and a trip computer, with the center of the display used to indicate the status of various Honda Sensing® safety and driver assistive systems. In a surprise-and-delight feature, the brake lights, headlights and turn signals of the displayed Civic vehicle image turn on and off with those functions.
LX, Sport and EX grades come standard with a new 7-inch color touchscreen, the largest standard screen in Civic history. Functionality is improved by the addition of both a physical power/volume knob and a tuning/selection knob. At the bottom is a row of hard buttons for skipping music tracks, navigating the audio menu, and selecting between phone, radio, Bluetooth® or USB media, or a connected smartphone for use with Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™.
Civic Touring also debuts an all-new 9-inch color touchscreen, which builds upon the foundation laid by the Display Audio system in Honda models such as Accord, Odyssey, Pilot and Passport. The new touchscreen is the largest ever in any Honda-brand vehicle, and features a physical volume knob, large, easy-to-recognize icons, and a simplified navigation structure with fewer embedded menus. On the left are hard buttons for Home and Back functions.
Other mode selections are at the bottom of the touchscreen, with a 0.8-inch finger rest making it easier to use the touchscreen by providing a stable surface to rest your hand. The touchscreen systems also come standard with wireless Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™ integration, while Touring comes standard with Qi-compatible wireless charging.
Civic First Bose Premium Sound System
Touring trims also feature the first use of Bose audio in a Civic. With Bose Centerpoint 2 and Bose SurroundStage digital signal processing, the new system was custom-engineered precisely for the Civic’s new interior so drivers and passengers – regardless of their seating position – are placed in the middle of the music, with a clear and spacious listening experience for all audio content.
Expert audio engineers developed the Bose sound system with advanced components and technologies, working closely with Honda engineers to integrate the system early in the vehicle design process for optimal performance. Clear, impactful sound is delivered through high-performance Bose speakers, strategically placed throughout the Civic’s interior for exceptional music reproduction across all frequencies, low to high.
Helping to preserve the quality of the listening experience, Dynamic Speed Compensation technology automatically adjusts volume and tone based on vehicle speed, reducing the need for drivers to manually adjust settings while on the road.
Bose Premium Sound System Details:
  • One 3.25-inch (80 mm) Bose Twiddler mid/high-range speaker in the center of the instrument panel.
  • Four 1-inch (25 mm) lightweight neodymium tweeters – one in each A-pillar and one in each rear door.
  • Two 6.5-inch (165 mm) wide-range speakers – one in each front door.
  • Two 5.25-inch (130 mm) wide-range speakers – one in each rear door.
  • Two 3.25-inch (80 mm) Bose Twiddler mid/high-range speakers – one on each side of the rear deck.
  • One 8-inch (200 mm) woofer in the center of the rear deck.
  • A Bose digital amplifier with 12 channels of custom equalization and advanced digital signal processing.
Stiffer Body Structure Improves Dynamics and Safety Performance
The 11th-generation Civic body structure is the most rigid in Civic history, with an 8 percent improvement in torsional rigidity and 13 percent improvement in bending rigidity versus the previous generation. The stiffer structure supports improvements in ride, handling and NVH.
The next generation of Honda’s Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) structure is designed to meet present and anticipated future collision standards while minimizing additional weight. This is achieved with the extensive use of lightweight materials, such as aluminum and various grades of high-strength steel, as well as an expanded application of structural adhesives.
The new, stiffer body also reduces the transmission of road and wind noise to create a more relaxed driving environment.
Fuel Efficient, Powerful Drivetrains
Like the outgoing Civic, two 4-cylinder engines will be available for the 2022 model: A naturally aspirated 2.0-liter or a turbocharged 1.5-liter. Both are paired with an updated continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT) uniquely tuned for each engine. Power delivery, engine sound, overall refinement and EPA fuel economy ratings of both engines are improved, with the 1.5L also getting a boost in power output.
Standard in LX and Sport trims, the 2.0-liter 4-cylinder produces 158 horsepower @ 6,500 rpm (SAE net) and 138 lb.-ft. of torque @ 4,200 rpm (SAE net). Due in part to a new standard idle-stop system and a new catalytic converter design, fuel efficiency and emissions are notably improved. The revised CVT enhances fuel efficiency by using more robust electric hydraulic pump which reduces the load on the mechanical pump, and a ball-bearing secondary shaft to reduce friction. Also, the transmission has been programmed to provide early downshifts during braking and features revised Step-Shift programming that simulates physical gear changes under hard acceleration for a more familiar and enjoyable driving experience.
For EX and Touring trims, the 1.5-liter turbo 4-cylinder produces 180 horsepower @ 6,000 rpm (SAE net) and 177 lb.-ft. of torque at 1,700 to 4,500 rpm (SAE net) on 87 octane gasoline, up 6 hp and 15 lb.-ft. of torque from last model year. Multiple measures contribute to improved fuel economy ratings, including new more efficient turbo plumbing and the addition of Variable Timing and lift Electronic Control (VTEC®) to the exhaust valves. The CVT for the 1.5-liter turbo features improved torque converter performance, while also adopting revised Step-Shift programming.
In addition to the standard Normal and Eco driving modes, 2.0L Sport and 1.5L Touring trims of the 2022 Civics now feature a user-selectable Sport mode. Using a toggle switch on the center console, the new Sport mode alters the drive ratios and mapping for a sportier feel, and changes the meter lighting to red. Eco mode reduces throttle and transmission sensitivity, as well as air conditioning output to help preserve fuel efficiency.
2022 Civic Sedan EPA Fuel Economy Ratings – City/Hwy/Combined1
Trim
2021
2022
Change
LX
30 / 38 / 33​
31 / 40 / 35​
+1 / +2 / +2​
Sport
29 / 37 / 32​
30 / 37 / 33​
+1 / -- / +1​
EX
32 / 42 / 36​
33 / 42 / 36​
+1 / -- / --​
Touring
30 / 38 / 33​
31 / 38 / 34​
+1 / -- / +1​
Chassis Tuned for Responsiveness, Fun and Comfort
Civic’s suspension has been carefully tuned to take maximum advantage of the stiffer body structure and additional 1.4-inches of wheelbase for a smoother ride, while improving the benchmark sporty handling for which Civic has long been recognized.
The front MacPherson struts feature new low-friction ball joints and front damper mount bearings to improve steering feel and self-centering, and the spring and damper alignment has been optimized to minimize operational friction.
In the rear, the track is 0.5-inch wider for enhanced stability, with a new larger compliance bushing with an improved bushing axis to minimize harshness. Additionally, the two rear lower arms are equipped with a new bushing that reduces noise and vibration inside the cabin, while also promoting better straight-line stability and turn in. The electronic power steering has been re-tuned to provide better feedback and improved straight-line stability.
New low-drag front brake calipers and low-friction front and rear wheel bearings reduce rolling resistance and help improve fuel economy ratings.
An all-new and lighter aluminum front subframe with an efficient truss and rib structure provides rigidity and stability. Additionally, a new lightweight flex tube in the exhaust system decreases noise transmission.
The suspension and steering upgrades result in a smoother, more linear and more precise feel in turns, with the reduction in yaw delay leading to a more responsive and synchronized feeling behind the wheel. Additionally, the reduced suspension friction and improved bushings help reduce harsh road shock, such as when going over railroad crossings, by 20 percent.
Advancing Small-Car Safety Performance
Continuing the Civic’s longstanding tradition of advancing small-car safety performance, the 2022 Civic introduces multiple new active and passive safety systems. In a world’s first application, both driver and passenger frontal airbags in the 2022 Civic are designed to better reduce conditions associated with brain injury by better controlling head motions in certain types of crashes. Similar in intent to the passenger front airbag technology featured in the 2021 Acura TLX and 2022 Acura MDX, these all-new airbag designs attempt to address the recently recognized issue of severe brain trauma associated with angled frontal collisions. The new front driver’s airbag uses an innovative donut-shaped structure to cradle and hold the head to reduce rotation. The passenger-side front airbag uses a three-chamber design to achieve a similar result, with two outer chambers designed to cradle and control head rotation.
The Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) body structure in the new Civic has been enhanced for even better compatibility with larger vehicles. This includes improved occupant protection in angled frontal collisions, with a new upper A-pillar structure, side frame and lower firewall structure—all designed to route crash energy around the cabin. Side impact protection also has been improved, with stiffer structures in the roof, side sill and B-pillar, doors, and the rear wheel arch and C-pillar.
The standard Honda Sensing® suite of active safety and driver assistive technologies uses a new single-camera system that provides a wider field of view than the previous radar-and-camera based system. Combined with software advances and a new, more powerful processor, the system is also capable of more quickly and accurately identifying pedestrians, bicyclists and other vehicles, along with road lines and road signs.
Honda Sensing® has been further enhanced with expanded driver-assistive functionality. The system now adds Traffic Jam Assist, and the new camera-based system improves on existing functionality, such as more natural brake application and quicker reactions when using Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC). It also has more linear and natural steering action when using the Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS). With the addition of eight sonar sensors, Civic, for the first time, features Low-Speed Braking Control, and front and rear false-start prevention.
Honda leadership in advancing pedestrian safety continues. The 2022 Civic features a new front bumper beam safety plate designed to decrease leg injuries and a hood with an embossed inner structure designed to improve head protection performance.
Continuing 35 Years of North American Manufacturing
Civic has been built in North America for 35 years with nearly 11 million units produced, including more than five million of those in the United States. The 11th-generation will continue that legacy with production of the Civic Sedan in Alliston, Ontario, Canada, and for the first time, the Civic Hatchback will be manufactured in the U.S., at the company’s Greensburg, Indiana plant. All Civic production in North American will use domestic and globally-sourced parts.
Key Specifications and Features
ENGINEERING
LX
Sport
EX
Touring
Engine Type
16-Valve DOHC i-VTEC® In-Line 4-Cylinder​
16-Valve DOHC VTEC® In-Line 4-Cylinder with Turbocharger​
Displacement
1,996 cc​
1,498 cc​
Horsepower (SAE net)1
158 @ 6,500 rpm​
180 @ 6,000 rpm​
Torque (SAE net)2
138 lb.-ft. @ 4,200 rpm​
177 lb.-ft. @ 1,700-4,500 rpm​
Redline
6,800 rpm​
6,600 rpm​
3-Mode Drive System (ECON/Normal/Sport/)
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•​
Continuously Variable Transmission
•​
with Paddle Shifters​
•​
with Paddle Shifters​
Ratio Range
2.526~0.408​
2.526~0.408​
2.645~0.405​
2.645~0.405​
Reverse
2.706~1.552​
2.706~1.552​
1.859~1.265​
1.859~1.265​
Final Drive
3.941​
3.941​
3.238​
3.238​
MacPherson Strut Front Suspension/Multi-Link Rear Suspension
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•​
•​
•​
Wheels
16-in. steel with full covers​
18-in. Berlina Black alloys​
17-in. alloys with Berlina Black inserts​
18-in. alloys with Shark Gray inserts​
Tires (all-season)
215/55R16 93H​
235/40R18 91W​
215/50R17 91H​
235/40R18 91W​
EXTERIOR MEASUREMENTS
LX
Sport
EX
Touring
Wheelbase
107.7 in​
Length
184.0 in​
Height
55.7 in​
Width
70.9 in​
Track (front/rear)
60.9 in / 62.0 in​
60.5 in / 61.6 in​
60.9 in / 62.0 in​
60.5 in / 61.6 in​
Curb Weight
2,877 lbs.​
2,935 lbs.​
3,004 lbs.​
3,077 lbs.​
INTERIOR MEASUREMENTS
LX
Sport
EX
Touring
Headroom (front/rear)
39.3 in / 37.1 in​
37.6 in / 37.1 in​
Legroom (front/rear)
42.3 in / 37.4 in​
Shoulder Room (front/rear)
57.0 in / 56.0 in​
Hip Room (front/rear)
54.3 in / 48.9 in​
Cargo Volume
14.8 cu. ft.​
14.4 cu. ft.​
Passenger Volume
99.0 cu. ft.​
96.6 cu. ft.​
KEY FEATURES
LX
Sport
EX
Touring
Honda Sensing®
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•​
•​
•​
Advanced Compatibility EngineeringTM (ACETM) Body Structure
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•​
•​
•​
10 Airbags, Including Next-Generation Driver and Front Passenger Front Airbags
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•​
•​
•​
Blind Spot Information System (BSI)
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with Cross Traffic Monitor​
Low-Speed Braking Control
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Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™ Integration
•​
•​
•​
•​
7-Inch Color Touchscreen with Volume and Tuning Knobs
•​
•​
•​
9-Inch HD Color Touchscreen with Volume Knob, Customizable Feature Settings and Smart Shortcuts
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Bose Premium Sound System with 12 Speakers, including Subwoofer
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Driver Information Interface Screen
7.0 in​
7.0 in​
7.0 in​
10.2 in​
It's too bad the Bose system only comes with the touring model. I'd pay extra for it on a lower trim like the Sport.
 
Here's how some of the Civic sedan's specs compare to the current Mazda3 sedan.


2022 Civic Sedan
Price: TBD
Manual Transmission: Yes in hatch, Si, and Type R
Engines: 2.0L 4-cylinder (158 horsepower, 138 lb.-ft. of torque), turbo 1.5L 4-cylinder (180 horsepower and 177 lb.-ft. of torque)
Options/Features: 7-inch touch screen, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, Blind Spot information system, road departure mitigation, forward collision warning, and more.Touring trims get 10.2-inch digital instrument display, a 9-inch touchscreen, wireless charging, a Bose audio system, and more safety and driver-assisted technologies.


2021 Mazda3 sedan
Price: $20,650
Manual Transmission: No in USA, Yes in Canada
Engines: 2.0L 4-cylinder (155 horsepower, 150 lb.-ft. torque), 2.5L 4-cylinder (186 horsepower, 186 lb.-ft. torque), turbo 2.5-litre 4-cylinder (227 horsepower and 310 lb.-ft. torque)
Options/Features: 7-inch IP display, an 8.8-inch touch screen, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, keyless entry and start, heated front seats, blind-spot monitoring, rear cross-traffic alert, heated steering wheel, leather, navigation, premium audio, 18-inch alloy wheels, and more.
 
It's too bad the Bose system only comes with the touring model. I'd pay extra for it on a lower trim like the Sport.
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But this is usually top-of-the-line stuff that's not often seen on lower trims throughout the industry.

Although 2022 Civic pricing is still not available, I'm sure it will come close to the 2021 model and paying nearly $30k to get the Bose equipped Touring Sedan is steep.
Honda probably figured it will help push even more people to the Touring model. It just might with me!
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I love the idea of cameras instead of mirrors. My lane watch shows me way more than my mirrors or turning my head can. The biggest hurdle with automakers doing this... it's not yet legal to have cameras instead of mirrors in the United States. I'm sure it's something that will change sooner rather than later, eventually most cars will have side view cameras instead of mirrors.
 
I am disappointed that Honda Motor Company didn't release ANY INFO. for the 11th Gen. Si...no specs, no pricing, no photos...no nothing.
I get this is a niche car that isn't mainstream. This will be my next car and will keep my 8th Gen. Sdn Si for as long as possible. 237K and going strong, no signs of going anywhere.

-Aaron
 
Discussion starter · #50 ·
I am disappointed that Honda Motor Company didn't release ANY INFO. for the 11th Gen. Si...no specs, no pricing, no photos...no nothing.
I get this is a niche car that isn't mainstream. This will be my next car and will keep my 8th Gen. Sdn Si for as long as possible. 237K and going strong, no signs of going anywhere.

-Aaron
Yeah I was surprised they didn't even hint at some of the other models. Fingers crossed we don't have to wait too long for the hatch, Si, and Type R info.
 
I am disappointed that Honda Motor Company didn't release ANY INFO. for the 11th Gen. Si...no specs, no pricing, no photos...no nothing.
I get this is a niche car that isn't mainstream. This will be my next car and will keep my 8th Gen. Sdn Si for as long as possible. 237K and going strong, no signs of going anywhere.

-Aaron
They are just waiting. All part of the usual product rollout. they'll release the Si info in 6 months or so to build the hype back up.
 
New poster, and I apologize if the following has been discussed---I couldn't find it.

I had a Civic long ago and I was very fond of it. For the last decade and more, though, the low seating position and extremely slanted windshield turned me off. Consumer Reports says you have to do the limbo to get in or out, and that was my impression also. So I went for a Mazda3, and it served me well but now it's time for a new car.

The windshield issue appears to have been improved in the 2022 Civic, and the design is generally described as more 'conservative', whatever that means. What about the go-kart seating position? None of the advance reviews seem to address it.

(I'm looking for the facts, not seeking to start a debate on the seat height!)

Many thanks!
 
New poster, and I apologize if the following has been discussed---I couldn't find it.

I had a Civic long ago and I was very fond of it. For the last decade and more, though, the low seating position and extremely slanted windshield turned me off. Consumer Reports says you have to do the limbo to get in or out, and that was my impression also. So I went for a Mazda3, and it served me well but now it's time for a new car.

The windshield issue appears to have been improved in the 2022 Civic, and the design is generally described as more 'conservative', whatever that means. What about the go-kart seating position? None of the advance reviews seem to address it.

(I'm looking for the facts, not seeking to start a debate on the seat height!)

Many thanks!
Welcome to the forum @RPG! I haven't seen any hard specs on the seating position or interior dimensions. Do you want the seating position to be the same as the Mazda3? Or higher/lower?
 
Welcome to the forum @RPG! I haven't seen any hard specs on the seating position or interior dimensions. Do you want the seating position to be the same as the Mazda3? Or higher/lower?
Thanks for the quick response! The Mazda3 is perfect, seat-height-wise. I'd buy the current model if it weren't for the funky non-touchscreen head unit.

I know a mini-SUV would give me an even higher seating position; but the Honda HR-V is a tin can, and the CR-V is bigger than I need/want.
 
Thanks for the quick response! The Mazda3 is perfect, seat-height-wise. I'd buy the current model if it weren't for the funky non-touchscreen head unit.

I know a mini-SUV would give me an even higher seating position; but the Honda HR-V is a tin can, and the CR-V is bigger than I need/want.
Welcome @RPG.

What do you think about the seats from videos like this?

That's about as best it gets till Honda shares more information.
 
Given that the new civic's dimensions (specifically it's height) is nearly identical to the 10th gen civic, I don't seen them changing up the seating height much, if at all as it would then compromise head room. But with height adjustable seats... doesn't that technically give you the option of having a higher/lower seat position? I would understand the complaint if they weren't height adjustable... but I guess I fail to see the issue when the seat height can be changed.
 
Given that the new civic's dimensions (specifically it's height) is nearly identical to the 10th gen civic, I don't seen them changing up the seating height much, if at all as it would then compromise head room. But with height adjustable seats... doesn't that technically give you the option of having a higher/lower seat position? I would understand the complaint if they weren't height adjustable... but I guess I fail to see the issue when the seat height can be changed.
The range of seat heights is lower in the Civic. I didn't think that was a big secret. The specific quote from Consumer Reports is
However, because of the car's low stance, occupants must do the limbo to get in and out.
Why has the market largely shifted to crossovers in place of hatchbacks? After all, the seat height of a hatchback is adjustable!
 
The range of seat heights is lower in the Civic. I didn't think that was a big secret. The specific quote from Consumer Reports is

Why has the market largely shifted to crossovers in place of sedans? After all, the seat height of a sedan is adjustable!
Ok so maybe they add a bit of range for a wider degree of adjustment. I hold to my original point that if you're buying a small car, you expect a lower seating position... if you want to be up in the air, get a crossover. Tall ride height in a small (sporty intentioned) car makes zero sense in my mind and just ruins the feel of the car. As I've mentioned before, small cars with high ride height end up getting just as much complaint in reviews for sitting up too high and feeling like a crossover when they're meant to feel like a car.

The civic's low roof line (one of the lowest in the compact segment) probably has more to do with the ease of getting in and out than the actual seating position does, but a car with a super tall roof just ends up looking awkwardly tall like a corolla or one of the many older compact cars that sacrificed styling and stance for convenience.

I'll also add that the majority of the crossover craze has zero to actually do with convenience... yes, some people need more space, higher ride, etc that a crossover/SUV offers, but it more comes down to perception in north america that BIG = BETTER. And not a small amount of the small crossovers coming out are inferior in almost every way to a small sedan/hatch counterpart that would offer better dynmaics, style, more useable space, better mpg, for less money.
 
Not sure I want to continue this discussion, but as previously noted, my Mazda3 is a slightly-sporty car and has a comfortable seating position.

On the other hand, street-racer-movie fantasies notwithstanding, a stock Honda Civic is not a sporty car.

Anyway, bye.
 
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